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Not with that attitude. There is no reason we can’t cultivate alternatives like PeerTube. No video platform starts with a massive library and if we actually want to take back our digital rights then we have to put our foot down and give a hard “no” to trading those rights away just because we really want to watch a particular creator on a corporate platform. It’s the only way to not only stick it to Google but also let creators know that viewers will not tolerate the likes of Google.
I think the hosting is the real problem. For something like Lemmy where it’s just text it’s not too expensive, but when you need to store and stream videos for free I have to imagine most people wouldn’t be able to afford that without charging for it and the moment you start charging you can’t compete with YouTube anymore
i think the solution could be a FOSS torrenting site where everyone hosts their own videos (or maybe a stream only site?). people are already willing to fork over for netflix so maybe if the content quality was extremely high theyd shift (e.g. nebula)
Yep, this is already a solved problem via torrents. All that’s needed is a site (like lemmy or something else) to host the links, and help with content discovery.
dessalines can you make a poetry community on lemmy.ml
oh what weird i thought i had looked it up, thank you!
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
Nebula could be a good case study in how well this would work. The content on there is of exceptional quality. To be honest, though, that’s not always what I’m looking for. Sometimes I just want a bunch of garbage rather than a little high quality content. The big social media platforms put a bunch of it in one place. I know it’s not really a good thing, but sometimes I just need background noise while I do other shit and random YouTube videos really does it for me.
I can’t seem to find any data on how much of Nebula’s revenue is actually due to the Curiosity stream tie-in, but I know even I was wary of the $5/mo subscription without the CuriosityStream sub to sweeten the deal. So maybe even the world’s largest creator-owned streaming platform needed that investment.
We need to crowdfund a starting base, and after that the site wouid have to charge something just be reasonable to not like asshole youtube.
Majority of people will always choose free, convenient and what they’re used to
If it’s not free it stands very little chance against something that is all 3
I wonder…
Suppose you had a company that, at it’s core, was closer a vps provider than anything else. People who want to host videos on the service pay a fee. The hosts can solicit money via the usual means (patreon, personally working with advertisers, merch, whatever), but part of the service agreement is that the hosting service itself cannot place their own ads. You also have some backup system in place where after x amount of time, videos get archived to some outside service (Internet Archive, some peer-to-peer mechanism - no idea what the options are). This is to at least try to mitigate storage limitations and other problems with retaining a large back catalogue.
All of this is said from a position of deep ignorance - but could something like this work? My stumbling block is anyone running a company is eventually going to need/want an additional revenue stream and ads are an obvious first stop. For this to exist it would pretty much take an activist owner not budging and ruling with an iron fist. That, and would such a service be able to offer hobbyist hosts a fair price, given this is where a lot of people start?
There’s many services out there like that that will charge you for basically the hardware and bandwidth (i.e. a VPS) but will give you an easy interface to host applications - even federated ones. The problem really is how do you compete with free? It’s “free” to watch and free to upload on YouTube. And all your favourite creators are probably already there because of the network effect YouTube has built over the years. And it’s a great place to discover new ones, too, even ones that have been around longer than you’ve been alive (for some folks, anyway).
From a technical perspective, though, this is pretty feasible. With huge upfront costs. If you rent hardware from existing providers like AWS/DigitalOcean/etc. you’re gonna pay out the ass for it. It doesn’t seem expensive to people who just need a little hardware but we’re talking about video here. You have to store multiple versions of a single video - that’s a ton of hard drive space. You have to encode what is uploaded by the users into a workable format - that’s a ton of compute. So if you were gonna provide it to hobbyists at a reasonable price you’d want to open your own data center (yes people still do that) which will give you some, relatively speaking, very very cheap storage, compute, bandwidth. The only issue is it costs a ton upfront and you need someone to maintain it if you don’t know how.
Yeah, I’ll let you know when anyone I watch even considers giving peertube a moment of consideration.
I only use my programming for good. For instance Bat_Count.exe lets the user enter a number and then the Count from sesame street will count to this number and say “Ah ah ah!” at the end.
count.bat sounds a lot cooler.
Does it run with wine on Linux?
Is there a git? Pleeeeese let there be a git!
“5E3”
I assume they wrote it as 5000 and it got changed to 5E3 by the minifier as it saves a byte?
Yeah that’d be my guess. Minifiers squeeze every byte.
trueandfalseget minified to!0and!1respectively.Lol
html programerz dont do that/s
Never heard of a minifier. It’s a brilliant idea though.
Most websites use them. Smaller file -> less bandwidth -> lower costs.
Ah it’s the web so
await new Promise(res => setTimeout(res, 5000));LGTM, Ship it!
clicks approve
As long as working around it is as easy as it is nowadays, I just think it’s funny.
Funny, or pathetic?
Probably both.
marketing and bean counters drag down every good idea. That and the belief all the world’s problems can be solved in one paragraph. I used to return a 5 second sleep for bad login attempts. Just to slow down the bots trying to brute force a login. video over increasingly cheap bandwidth for a screen the size of a postcard will soon be replaced with a simpler solution. This is progress. another one bites the dust.
Odysee? Rumble?
Freetube? Re-vanced?
Odysee is a right wing hellscape
Nope
so is rumble lol
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Freetube? invidious?..not so sure if I spelled that correctly
I feel like we’re regressing back to the Netscape Navigator/Internet Explorer browser war days, when browsers were openly and intentionally breaking functionality on competing sites.
I don’t understand why people don’t pay for YouTube premium. Best streaming service I pay for. No ad blockers required. When I watch YouTube at someone else’s house the ads drive me nuts.
Fuck google that’s why
100%. It’s the principle of the thing. I don’t care how good YouTube Red is, simply the fact that they pulled as much bullshit as they have in an attempt to sucker people into paying for it warrants a total and permanent boycott. What Google is doing is utterly unacceptable and I’m not going to reward them for abusing my digital rights.
Then why are you using Google’s services
Are you familiar with the network effect?
I am. It’s just ironic to say “fuck Google” while continuing to depend on Google’s service
You people are arguing that YouTube should be hosting videos without asking for any compensation. You will continue blocking ads no matter how many of them there are.
I hope YouTube just completely paywalls itself so this whining can end already.
Don’t cut yourself with that edge!
inb4: “But YT operates at a loss and needs monies”. No. Just no. They deliberately worked at a loss to stifle and kill opposition.
I wouldn’t mind paying for a service given I pay for my email provider when I can get gmail for free. Pretty ignorant to ignore the whole monopoly and say sToP uSiNg YoUtUbE tHeN. I will take what I need and I won’t give a penny or my data to those dicks. I also hope they paywall so there will be competitive services that I can happily pay for :)
Not that easy not to use the services of the big tech companies, is it? I don’t get why you would even give them extra money if their main profit is selling your data anyways. The only solution I see is to try to establish independent, people owned spaces/websites and so long the majority is under control of the big tech, don’t feed them your data and don’t feed them any money either.
I also want people-owned website to take off, but as of right now there is little incentive for people to host their videos on their own when YouTube does it for free and gets you a huge audience.
For now, I have to choose between participating in the adblocker cat-and-mouse game, or just getting my Turkish “friend” to purchase YT Premium and being done with it.
because it’s insanely difficult to get along completely without YouTube. Or if you happen to have some kind of business it’s easier said than done to “just not optimize” for Google products or “just not use Google services” like having a Google Maps entry. On a side note, even getting a privacy focused smartphone without using Google services and products is near to impossible (e.g. GrapheneOS only works on Pixel phones…)
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it’s too expensive to begin with. 14$/month ? Netflix is more expensive to run and is cheaper. I would be fine paying 5€/month tho.
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at this point YouTube made a point I was not an acceptable client for them (5s delay because I’m not using the company mandated browser) so I’m not supporting that.
You want my money Google? You already did. I bought a fucking pixel 8 pro because it’s a goddamn amazing phone. Do the same with YouTube.
the pixel phones are great, I had the 7 and now the 8 pro. it pains me to see Google’s business decisions with everything else
It’s not too bad if you do it in a family plan and split the cost. I pay under £5 a month for it
What does it get you that using Brave doesn’t?
No need to worry about adblock suddenly stopping working
Creators get a shit ton more money from premium users whereas if you adblock they get none
YouTube music on mobile which imo is the best music streaming service out there for the money
God forbid anyone on Lemmy spends money on content they consume daily.
Thanks for the genuine response.
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(a) because it’s too expensive, and (b) it didn’t take a lot of DDGing to find “why am I still getting ads with YT Premium” and it turns out there are a bunch of exceptions that the YTP page doesn’t tell you about.
If it was less expensive and provided some privacy i would probably happily pay for it.
It’s way too fucking expensive.
Because adblocking is free and if done right not detectable. I haven’t had a single issue with ublock on youtube.
I used to pay for premium but they keep upping their prices. At this point ublock on computers + revanced on phone is best way to go. Premium features without paying a cent.
Agreed. I’m on a family plan and I find that I’m getting my money’s worth, plus saving myself the headache of participating in this cat-and-mouse game.
I’m willing to bet the people who use adblockers and say “fuck Google” in this thread never considered donating to the developers of said adblockers for letting them dodge YouTube’s fee.
I’ve been having an excellent experience with premium as well. I like knowing that I’m directly materially contributing to the people I watch. The only problem I have with YouTube premium lately is that it keeps trying to suggest fucking 8 hours long music streams to my TV and seems as though it’s REFUSING to learn that I don’t want to see that shit unless I’m deliberately searching for it. Get that shit the FUCK outta my feed. Otherwise, it’s the way YouTube was meant to be used.
If I had my way though, I’d nuke YouTube’s ad system from orbit and replace it with this: for ads, NO VIDEO, NO SOUND, ONLY A SLIDE SHOW, CONTAINING ONLY TEXT. 15 Slides or 15 Seconds, MAXIMUM, whichever runs out first. If the user clicks anywhere but the product link, it advances the slide or closes the ad. PERIOD.
