Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s electoral victory Monday, saying that “the time has come” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.
He made the comment a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a recorded statement that he has spoken three times with Trump since the election and that they “see eye to eye on the Iranian threat.
What a shocker! Who could have predicted this?
Holy shit!
Hang on. I can’t find my Pikachu shocked face. I must have left it at the other article where the Republicans said they lied about Project 2025.
We should start making bets about this
So all you “But Gaza!” people…how’d that work out for you?
This may just be an observation from across the pond, but it feels like the But Gaza people were nothing but a troll farm and y’all got played.
Man, this whole situation is all kinds of fucked.
The “people” bringing it up nonstop on social media might have been state actors or trolls but there were plenty of real people who followed the movement. They’re still “But Gaza!” people regardless of how the idea that they should abstain from voting got into their head.
I voted Harris, but I was pretty fucking disgusted with Kamala’s refusal to change course on this.
Some of us called these people on their shit. They’re all gone now, so at least we have that.
Naah. Some of them are still around blaming Harris and democrats for tanking the election.
It’d be funny if it weren’t so… not funny.
It’s mostly true. Someone was tracking those accounts and nearly all of them stopped posting entirely immediately after the election. Either very dedicated, or astroturfing.
The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.
I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
You’re right that they really messed up here
Thank you! All these people out here trying to start shit with people protesting a genocide when the Dems just had to take the easiest moral high ground known to man, opposing a genocide. And despite all numbers telling them “this will win you the election” they decided nah, cause we’d rather the Republicans win than even imagine opposing Israel.
Why are you so quick to attack the people openly protesting a genocide instead of the party that lost the election because they refused to openly protest a genocide?
Good work Pro-Palestinian voters, you screwed your own people.
By the way, the US military will most likely gear up for a war against Iran. Yep, orders from Riyadh and Tel Aviv for another 20 year shit hitting the fan adventure doomed to fail.
The election wasn’t decided by voters who cared about Palestine, I don’t think.
No it was decided by Starlink.
Go back to your flat earth alek
That seems a little uncalled for. Just because the repugnicans gaslit is for the last four years about 2020 doesn’t mean you get to lump anyone with suspicions in with them. They got to take their evidence to court. If the results are legitimate no one has anything to lose.
now can you tell me why electronic voting machines in swing states need to be connected to Starlink? The company notoriously owned by the man who bragged about how easy it would be to hack those same machines with “one line of code.” The man who said he’d be going to jail if Trump didn’t win. The man who has just been caught faking his million dollar Republicans voter registration ‘lottery.’ Or what Trump meant the various times he claimed he didn’t need votes to win, or when he said he had an election day secret weapon? or why Elon knew the results four hours in advance? Or why MTG said on Fox two days ago the exact number of electoral votes Trump would have today?
There’s a whole lot of oddities and inconsistencies. Denying them because you don’t want to look like a conspiracy nut isn’t helpful.
How about good work democrats for not actively opposing the genocide? Like, why are you so quick to blame anyone but the shot callers, playmakers and plan writers? Genuinely.
Is turbo-genocide somehow better than regular old genocide?
I think my comment has been misinterpreted. Op said “good job” sarcastically. I too am using “good job” sarcastically. The Dems are the shot callers and play makers I am talking about. The ones deserving of blame due to their utter inability to denounce a genocide and instead promising to continue arming it.
we’re about to see something really shocking and ugly aren’t we. more so than usual I mean
No, I’ve been told a Trump victory couldn’t make anything worse for Palestine. This should just be status quo stuff here.
Indeed, because “Genocide Joe” and so on, argle bargle. The voters that sat out because of this, or worse, outright voted for donvict will have a lot to answer for. I mean, if they actually give a shit about Palestinians and didn’t really just want to be Above It All ™.
I like argle bargle. I shall use it
I mean it is the status quo. Israel’s current move will only make the “facts on the ground” official.
Yup.
Take your bow protest voters… we fucking told you this would happen.
This is ALL on you.
the last 80 years has been the slow elimination and annexation of palestine
it really doesn’t matter which pro-Israeli US presidential candidate serves for the next 4
And those protest votes told the campaign this would happen and they didn’t alter course. At what point is it the fault of the playmakers?
Protest votes knew the score. Slow genocide with Kamala, fast genocide with trump. And they put it on the line to say “either no genocide or you lose” and the Dems couldn’t say that.
Think about that. The Democrats were very clearly told via the uncommitted movement that “if you support genocide, you will lose” and the Dems could not, under literal threat of death, say they won’t support a genocide in Israel.
Like, I voted Kamala as a hopeful lesser of two evils vote. But seeing people like you come out here and throw the genocide of palastinians in the face of those who care the most about it because your party didn’t do what it knew it had to do is fucking disgusting.
Actually abhorrent. Hold the leadership accountable. Hold Kamala accountable. They ran the god damn election. They wrote the god damn plan, and never in my life have I seen an electorate communicate it’s demands so clearly and directly. They were ignored, so they ignored the Dems.
Wheres your fucking spine? Why is it so hard for you to criticize your own party, concrete people with positions in this shit making decisions rather than the vague “protest voter”
Because we voted to stop trump. That’s how it works, and that is what they failed to understand in the months leading up to the election:
Our votes were cast to stand in his way. Their decision to do nothing, let him walk right past us all.
This is on the protest voters/third party voters and there is no other way to see it.
So you think the Dems are at no fault? There’s “no other way to see it”? That’ll win elections bubby. Won so many elections already! Keep that going and I can’t see how you’ll ever lose an election! Especially not 2 out of the fucking 3 this kinda thinking has already implemented.
It’s been made clear over and over. Either the Democrats concede to their base for once in their life and win, or don’t and we all die. I’m going to blame the organization who seems to be purposefully throwing elections to do anything in their power to concede nothing.
It’s also a lot easier for an organization to pivot and change than an entire population, another “way to see it” why your being real stupid right now.
Like, I too wish we could of not had trump. I voted Kamala as a conscious lesser of two evil. But I cannot morally be upset at protest voters or unenthusiastic voters when I watched that campaign just “assume” their base would come out, gave them nothing, and then courted the right wing the entire time. Campaigned with Liz Cheney and sucked up every establishment Republican endorsement they could.
They did a bad plan. It was obviously a bad plan. Do you think that the Dems having a stupid plan and dumping billions into ads for voters that don’t exist was better than conceding to the voters who do.
Silly silly silly. I don’t know what else to tell you. You are so upset and angry that the Dems lost that your lashing out at what you consider the cause when the call is coming from inside the house.
Cool story.
So you know, both the LGBTQ and women’s rights are going to take a HUGE hit now as a result of their smug little protest votes. Oh… and Palestine is either going to be occupied, or become a crater. Same with Ukraine- so… victory! Right? We certainly learned our lesson at the expense of a shit ton of innocent lives…
But as long as they can feel morally superior, right?
I’m not arguing this any further.
So the Democrats, who actively told their left wing to fuck off with any demands, are not the ones at fault for not doing the thing that would win them the election. It’s instead the fault of random unknown and vague people in your head at fault. Literally millions with their own reasons. Not the campaign with the ability to respond to these demands.
Great strategy bubby. Top tier strategy. How many elections is that winning?
Nah, instead of changing gears and doing something that works you’d rather whine, blame, guilt, and otherwise make an ass of yourself.
I’m not arguing this any further.
Cool. I still had more to say. You are free to not respond.
AMA request: Anyone who voted for Jill Stein or Trump because Kamala wasn’t hard enough on Israel.
In theory it was mostly people not voting for Harris (or anyone). In most cases here, anyway. Supposedly.
Honey, why is there a leopard at the door?
Well that would be one way of ending the war on day one.
ITT: “How could third party voters do this? I have learned nothing.”
Dear everyone who refused to vote: I hope you’re happy! Really helping out the Israel-Palestine situation right now. You did this. Look at your crime against humanity and despair.
Dear Harris: You could have singlehandedly prevented this.
I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on top.
You must be one of the good americans then, bravo!
what the fuck do you expect me to do? I can only realistically vote and protest and vote with my dollar. I’m doing all of those already.
Gosh. This is my shocked face.
Disgusting to blame the people who wouldn’t vote for the party that refused to say they would stop the genocide. How about you blame Kamala Harris and the DNC for never saying they would do anything about it? At which point is it the fault of the shot callers? What you unwittingly are saying is “the Dems could of won by promising to stop genocide in Palestine and they couldn’t do it”
That says a lot more about them than it does the protest voters.
I say this as someone who voted Kamala as a conscious lesser of two evils. I cannot blame anyone who decided they couldn’t vote for a slower genocide
It’s a two party system. There was no reasonable third option. You either pick the better of the two, or you don’t pick either and live with the consequences.
True, but I cannot be more mad at the people who have a moral problem with participating in such a system than at the people who are actively leading it. Like, you are giving all agency to the voters and none to the parties who are also moveable, influenceable human beings. Why?
Genocide. He means genocide. The Democrats decided the US voters would do as they demanded, forgetting that despite being an empire, we are in fact an Empirical Republic. Meaning we still vote in our emperor. The voters didn’t care that kamala put innocent citizens in prison for marijuana use, 66+ million still voted for her. 70+ million didn’t care that trump is a traitor to the republic on multiple fronts. They are ruling over a decaying empire with barbarians running through the halls of Congress all while pretending the party will never stop. The party already stopped, they just have enough resources to keep it looking like everything is exactly as it should be. Forget that California burns down annually, forget that the south becomes a disaster area after hurricane season, forget those strangers working full time jobs that are still homeless, forget your Democratic Republic, that’s the message of both Republican’s AND Democrats. Curious to see how “Covid: Part Deux The Electric Infection pans out.”
What is it you were expecting or hoping for? Because this just reads like someone forgot to take their pills. It was always going to be Kamala or Trump. It doesn’t matter if neither one made you happy. If you thought otherwise, you didn’t think it through.
We had a really simple choice between two people. We made it. Unless you voted for Kamala, this is the outcome you allowed to happen.
It was always going to be Kamala or Trump. It doesn’t matter if neither one made you happy. If you thought otherwise, you didn’t think it through.
Wasn’t it “It was always going to be Biden or Trump” until three months ago?
It was always Trump vs Democrat. Everyone that’s not a complete moron knew that Trump was always the worst choice for Gaza’s future. Anyone that argued otherwise is worse than the morons that didn’t know.
So first it always was Biden, now other choice permitted. Then it was Harris, no other choice permitted. Now it is “Democrat”, which is a pretty broad spectrum.
And that show exactly the failure of the Harris/Biden supporters. Instead of pushing for a viable candidate that doesn’t support the genocide in Gaza, people doubled down on a center right-right pro genocide candidate. And this strategy didn’t just loose the election, it also shows the complicity of everyone who supported that campaign. Who chose a secure election loss with genocide support, over daring to bring a non genocidal candidate to the ballot.
You wanted to toss out another candidate? Over Gaza, something 90% of America would be somewhere between ambivalent and gleeful if it burned?
Or did you want to wait until the convention, bypass the VP and flip the bird to black and/or women voters while nominating a different compromise candidate that no one actually wanted at the last minute?
Yeah, it was Biden until it wasn’t. And if he’d hadn’t stepped down the choice would’ve been him or Trump. This isn’t a fucking buffet. You vote for the Democrat or you accept the Republican.
That is just plainy wrong.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
This is from end of March.
The DNC did everything they could to demotivate and alienate their base. Everyone who cheered that on instead of demanding proper primaries didn’t just loose the elections, but also showed a moral desolace
I can’t find sentiment analysis to say how important Gaza was to voters in the election, but I strongly believe of the things that people cared about, Gaza was only significant for Arab Americans.
Plus a convention to pick a candidate would’ve only divided everyone just before the election. No better-loved candidate was going to come out of that. Only compromise that left everyone unhappy. Or most likely still Harris but with less enthusiastic support.
It’s all well and good to say people are unhappy about injustice, we are. But is anyone going to vote change their vote any the economy or domestic policy over it? Fleetingly few.
I did find an article of someone looking forward to saying told you so if Trump wins. Well, good job. They can say told you so. I’ll keep their smugness in mind when Netanyahu escalates. I’ll remind myself, this is what Arab voters wanted above all else.
If a convention to pick a candidate was so bad, why did the Republicans win with it? The Republicans had proper primaries. They won.
As for the importance of Gaza, here are some early numbers analyzed
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/11/election-harris-gaza-policy
It was always going to be Kamala or Trump
This sentiment made it Trump
The lack of votes for Harris did that.
And that sentiment is why she was lacking votes. Like come on we all know how elections work and that less votes means you lose. If you don’t want to find out why you got less votes, don’t be mad when you loose again.
Oh they’re mad at this one, guess you decided to learn nothing. See you right back here again in 4 years then.
What I said there was fact. The idea it wasn’t is wishful thinking.
The anti-Israel crowd are basically the MTG and Boeberts of the Democratic party. Right on down to outlandish claims about crisis actors
The anti-Israel crowd
“Harris is the better choice in this fucking awful dilemma the US electoral system gives us” is not pro-Israel. It was a pragmatic option to reduce the damage a little, to lead the US down a better road domestically, and to leave the door open to later activism to stop the genocide where there was no viable third voting option.
Please don’t conflate a Harris vote with a pro-Israel stance.
Like Harris was going to stop this.
Maybe not. We knew what direction Trump would take.
Two options. We chose.
With the senate and a wide house gap, I think so. Ah dreams
harris would have been the better outcome for the palestinian people, if you knew this and chose not to vote then youre more concerned with moral grandstanding than anything else
At least you guys picked Trump instead lmao
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