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Donald Trump on Sunday proposed a new policy that many critics said is equivalent to legalizing “The Purge.”
Trump spoke at a rally in Pennsylvania, where he admitted that his attendees were “falling asleep” at one of his earlier rallies. Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign noted that, as Trump was still speaking at the swing-state event over the weekend, rallygoers placed directly behind the former president started to funnel out of the building.
One comment Trump made drew condemnation on social media, as well as numerous comparisons to The Purge, a film series based on a dystopian world in which the government makes all crimes legal for a 12-hour period.
As reported by Sebastian Smith, AFP Washington desk chief, “Trump in Erie, PA, says in US ‘the police aren’t allowed to do their job.’ To stop crime, you need ‘one really violent day.’ He says: ‘One rough hour and I mean real rough, the word would get out and it would end immediately.’”
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Donald Trump: “I will literally do a Kristallnacht, and kill queer and ethnic minorities with impunity using a standing army. I want to use the police to extrajudicially slaughter undesirable citizens.”
Media: “Donald Trump thinks the movie The Purge is real! 🤪 What a goofball! 🤣”
I don’t think Trump is talking about a purge. What Teump is saying that the police should be allowed to get as violent as they want for that one hour.
You know typical dictator stuff.
That was my interpretation too. Still lawlessness, but for the police.
And their deputies, of course. Whoever they choose to deputize.
Hilarious, as if police haven’t been doing what they want this entire time. They literally rape minors they arrest and get away with it. They barely have consequences already.
It can absolutely get worse.
He just wants them to have one day to kill all the non-whites, non-straights, trans people, non-subservient women, etc. And he’s dumb enough to believe, as the Nazis did, that this will lead to a better world rather than a hell on earth.
Right. In a The Purge, you’d be allowed to actually defend yourself from the police.
Yep, and that is a lot worse.
The police already fairly violent now. Imagine if the police got a carte blanche do whatever they want.
Imagine
Glad you got that head start
At least in “The Purge” scenario, you’re allowed to fight back against the police.
You think trump is really that thoughtful. I swear he just word salads his way through the day. Just like his social media posts.
Usually I would say it’s better to assume incompetence than malice. It’s a much better way to relate to the world.
There are two exceptions though:
- When you’re riding a bicycle on a road with cars around.
- When you’re putting someone in a position of power.
As one Lemmy say that the Trump has the concepts of an idea however word salads his way to communicate with people.
It sounds like Trump may have primary progressive aphasia.
Most aphasia types are caused by stroke or other acute brain injury that damages brain tissue in areas important for language processing. However, a type of aphasia called primary progressive aphasia is a neurodegenerative disease, which results from progressive deterioration of brain tissue in areas important for speech and language. It is often caused by diseases such as s Alzheimer’s or Frontotemporal Lobar Degeneration. Although the first symptoms are problems with speech and language, other problems associated with the underlying disease, such as memory loss and personality changes often occur later.
Like Rodrigo Deutre in the Philippines.
I don’t think so. It reads to me like, if one day of massive violence from people generally, happened, then after that the police would be given freedom to crack down severely on everything.
“Fear leads to…‘the security of My New Empire’”
Addendum: I re-read the quote and now I feel I can read it either way.
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Yeah, that is the movie “the purge” but only legalized for US police, because US police hasn’t been violent enough yet in comparison to other police forces world wide.
So…not The Purge?
This is all you really need to know about any of this
University of Texas law professor Lee Kovarsky said, “People confuse telling hard truths with just being a total f------ idiot.”
Not enough people are shamed into keeping quiet these days, they think they’re being politically incorrect or edgy or owning woke libs. They’re really just letting everyone who knows how things work that they don’t know
Also total f------ Nazi. That bit’s important too.
The regular process would be:
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have idea for easy solution to known problem
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think it through
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realise that there more factors at play that would lead to other problems
Trump reaches stage 1 on a good day.
He has the concept of an idea.
Plus whatever FOX happens to vomit up that day.
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Everyone here thinking Trump is saying the quiet part out loud… but as the senile old man he is, I think he just saw the movie and is confusing whatever his handlers told him to say with that he fell as sleep watching on TV
Naw this is a case of the media tiptoing around him and preferring easily digested headlines.
He’s clearly not describing The Purge in the actual quote. He doesn’t want to make crime legal.
He’s describing Kristallnacht. He wants the cops to be able to punish anyone they want with as much violence as they want. He wants a massacre of anyone they declare a criminal, aka minorities and dissidents.
It’s so much fucking scarier than the bullshit headlines and it’s so fucking frustrating.
This is my take. I’ve never watched the purge.
It sounds to me like he’s just saying the police need to be able to dispense “justice” with impunity, and in his mind that can be tempered be saying you’d only need to do it once.
It’s just the latest in a long line of really concerning attitudes that the right seems happy to support.
Honestly i feel like this current lurch to the right, as we try to manage climate change, AI, and wealth concentration, is the great filter. We have some big problems and the right is just so determined to double down with all our current shitty plans.
It’s crazy we are going to be alive to see the great filter take place
I don’t think you’re understanding what The Great Filter is.
The Great Filter is the collective human behavior that will doom us to an unlivable world. This is stuff like anthropogenic climate change, overhunting/overfishing, and nuclear war. Stuff that keeps humanity from elevating itself beyond a Type-0 Civilization by destroying what we need to survive on our own planet.
What Trump is suggesting is genocide and state violence. This has jack shit to do with the survival of humanity, and everything to do with the survival of living breathing human beings that will be murdered by fascists.
This isn’t some inevitable natural law of the universe. If anything, that suggestion is egregiously offensive and harmful. There are things we can do right now to prevent it. This is direct human malice that will only affect the poorest and most marginalized people, and while leaving the fascists and their allies unharmed.
Put down your sci-fi novels and pick up a history book before you make yourself complicit in what’s happening.
You’ve misconstrued the comment you’re replying to because you either misunderstood or didn’t read my comment above it.
I’m not saying Trump’s latest brain fart is “the great filter”.
I’m saying the great filter is populations all over the world having a propensity to vote for people like Trump, who actively plan to make all the problem’s we’re facing much worse to further their own ends.
I’ve never been an alarmist, but I will say that as a species we don’t seem to be on a trajectory towards prosperity, and global leaders don’t seem to have a plan to correct that trajectory.
but…we are the great filter.
always have been. go ask the 700+ species that humans have forced to extinction.
don’t worry though, humans won’t be hunted to extinction. we’ll starve or die from exposure way before that happens.
He’s more and more openly using fascist rhetoric right out of Hitler’s playbook too. That the only book we know he owns is one with Hitler’s speeches is just conincidence I’m sure. (Not that he can read, but maybe the Saw puppet reads it to him now before going down on his mushroom.)
Currently the leader of the far right in Austria is going by the same title Hitler did, before he came into power.
Him, the evening before: “Oh yes, you’re a bigly big mac aren’t you, let’s just curl up on the couch and watch my stories…”
This is magas new Jesus. They worship this felon regardless of what he does or says.
Sounds right to me
“Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.”
Except when someone is a proven fascist with a long history of proposing the violent oppression of women, non-whites and minorities, and affiliated with a large political party that shares this aim. Then it’s probably malice.
Or… both? Yeah, it’s probably both.
Unless you have proof of malice.
To be fair, he probably meant that only cops should be allowed to use violence with impunity, certainly not the… wink wink nudge nudge… “urban people”.
People already become cops to indulge in violence without repercussions.
I’m not all that surprised. Is anyone else surprised at this? Like, The Purge is the Republican wet dream.
The Purge is a metaphor for eugenics based on wealth. It’s a libertarian’s fantasy of what a genocide would be. Ofc they love it.
It’s kind of ironic that libertarians are too stupid realize that you have to be stupid to be a libertarian and that the world they profess to desire would leave them victims of their stupid libertarianism.
Outsider here, why is that?
It’s a subset of the party, but there are vocal members that are sure they can save the world guns blazing, and live in a fantasy that all the bad people are just bad people and if allowed, will kill each other off. Many of them drive trucks with really big flags on them, which is handy, because it shows who you have to watch for cutting people off violently in traffic, or ignoring crosswalks.
It’s not. But it certainly is a wet dream for extremists on either side.
Same reason as the Nazis. For any more details, you have to ask them.
Look, Trump is going to say more and more deranged things as time goes by. This is how he ran as president, say something deranged to distract from the last thing that he said was so deranged.
I bet he’s actually really upset that two people have tried to kill him, but nobody has tried to kill Kamala. He’s going to say more extreme things, get closer and closer to the line, try to give people more upset… This is how he owns a new cycle. This is his gimmick. This is his playbook. He wants the violence, it feeds his ego.
Uhm, I don’t think this is a reference to the Purge, I think this is a reference to the Day of the Rope from the Turner Diaries
As much as I know Trump is a piece of shit nazi, it’s far more likely that he watched a movie, rather than anything to do with reading.
No way he read the book, but he’s immersed enough in that far-right shit scape that it’s not really much of a stretch to believe he picked it up somewhere. I’m sure people on Truth Social love talking about it.
The Turner Diaries is barely readable. I know, I read it.
I know you’re supposed to know your enemy, but I have no plan of putting that filth in my brain.
That’s why people like me and other lefties often take one for the team and read it so you don’t to
Firstly there is thought slime’s video on the thing describing it in great detail, and then there is the TV tropes that also has some great information on it.
What do I have to add? I need to mention that one aspect of the Turner diaries plays up is that somehow the opposition is so incredibly afraid of being labeled racist or 'politically correct ’ (now usually called woke) and will allow all manner of heinous crimes committed by non-white people in order to avoid that.
This is a trope that is often employed by right wing authors, including Ben Shapiro and Glen Beck. They have this idea that liberals and lefties are so terrified of the racist label that they would never describe a suspect as black or Asian for fear of ‘racial profiling’ (even though that isn’t what it is) that blacks somehow commit crimes with impunity until a conservative calls it for what it is and gets the job done.
The Turner diaries does the same… but only far worse. There are several parts of the book where blacks all form cannibal and rape rings and just kidnap at random white girls (and only white girls) to rape and eat and all the white authority figures are powerless to stop them due to the fear of being called racist.
Jesus fuck that last bit… these people need help.
Hard to imagine Trump has read very many books. More likely it’s just something he made up on the spot, because that’s what he’s been doing for decades. It’s why he sounds so stupid all the time. He doesn’t think about anything, he just spews out whatever is on the top of his mind. That’s how we got to injecting bleach and putting light inside the body and windmills causing cancer and an absolutely insane medley of incredible bullshit. It’s not because he’s researched the topic in any way, shape, or form.
Hard to imagine Trump has read very many books.
By all accounts, he’s never even read his autobiography.
Every time I think this motherfucker can’t surprise me by going any lower…
He will say absolutely anything to get in power and avoid the catastrophe that awaits should he fail.
With all the crimes he’s committed that are well documented and easily proven and thus far only some convicted but not sentenced, he’s walking a tightrope. If he falters the consequences are dire.
At best his debts catch up to him and his family legacy is in tatters.
At worst he is in prison for the rest of his life from a treason charge.
If he wins no judge will sentence him until he’s out of office, which he may never be with all the GOP groundwork being laid to create a puppet dictatorship controlled by conservative oligarchs.
I half expect him to go running into Putin’s arms at some point.
I expected that on Jan 7, and for a long time afterward.
I don’t anymore, because I realized something: he’s literally too narcissistic to be able to comprehend the concepts of failure and consequences. He will never run because in order to make the decision to do so, he would have to admit to himself that he lost.
I would expect him to ask Putin for help in controlling ‘the mob’ in exchange for Alaska and the rest of the North Pole, so Putin can rule the world.
They make it sound like he shouldn’t have said it out loud. This is the shit his loyalists love! He means to say it and they were meant to hear it.
He wasn’t “caught” doing shit.
The night of broken glass is literally their guide book.
Why would this be surprising to anyone…
The Purge, Period checks, no overtime, mass deportations. The future looks bright. Thank you for bringing so much joy to the world GOP.
Don’t forget to vote third party or not at all because the Democrats aren’t perfect or because electoral college or voting day is a Tuesday…. s/
Dont forget to not hold democrats accountable for anything so they can move 6 more steps right and normalize all the Republican corporate shit you claimed to be against 10 years ago.
This comment made around 8AM Saint Petersburg time. Morning comrade!
Which candidate that has a chance of winning the election in November do you think Americans should vote for?
Wanna bet their answer is “no”?
I mean, I’m gonna vote for Kamala, but Dems ain’t movin’ left, let’s be honest.
Not them but I think the answer is very obviously “not Trump”.
Everyone should vote for “Not Trump” and it seems that more people agree than not when even his own party wanted a guy with former brain parasites than him.There is really some lamenting though that the bar is set so low and the Democrats seem to be happy to not even try to jump over it but take the win on not being Trump.
It could be an amazing strategy to run on a platform of helping and pushing change instead of telling tired people they will keep things the same.
Its obvious it needs to be “Not Trump”. But I wouldn’t expect people to be happy about voting for the equivalent of the 2000 Republican Party in spirit here in 2024 when people not wanting that anymore is how the Republicans got Trump in the first place. People are gonna get burnt out and disenfranchised on no change.
It doesn’t mean they are right to burn it all down but people commit suicide for shitty reasons too.The only “not Trump” that has a chance of winning is Harris.
Voting for any other “not Trump” actually helps Trump. You might as well just not vote.
Well only true if they weren’t a Trump supporter voting 3rd party.
People walking out of his rallies and falling asleep at them does not help Trump.
I get that Harris is the only person with the current backing up there to win properly against him this election but if you literally take a look at your math there and say someone that votes third party would be better by not voting at all you are just trying to silence people that disagree with you rather than let them have any voice.
Voting for third party when they wouldn’t have voted at all is not the same as helping Trump and you need to stop being so scared of Trump you keep bullying those that would with that false equivalent.
I am not trying to silence anyone. People are free to do what they want. I stand by my position that voting for anyone but Trump or Harris achieves nothing.
Voting third party in modern history has never achieved anything and there is no one anywhere close to the popularity of Ross Perot, who came closest.
“Vote for my candidate or your worse than Republicans”
Much democracy, so freedom. If y’all spent half the time working against Republicans that you do attacking anybody left of Biden maybe we could have meaningful change.
Why are you putting words in my mouth? That’s highly dishonest of you, especially when I said nothing even remotely like what you’re putting in quotation marks.
(It’s “you’re” )
And FYI, I’m probably left of your beliefs. I just understand the existential threat of another Trump presidency. I live in the Real World, where compromise and Progress are better than holding out for perfect and getting nothing, or worse…
If We The People (left, center, and the extremely rare Never-Trump Republicans) are somehow able to keep him and his dangerous revenge tour intentions and Project 2025 schemes out of the White House, there’s another timeline where the United States becomes a failed, fascist Oligarchy. Don’t say it can’t happen here, because history tells us it absolutely can. In fact, we’ve never been closer!
Kamala Harris is great! Perfect? No. But at this moment in history nothing is more important than keeping Donald Trump from subverting the democracy of our entire country…
Let me guess: you’ve been calling your representatives, demanding voting reform and an end to “first-past-the-post” and holding your votes hostage at all times, not just in an election year… Right!??
I know you think you have some big gatcha here, but I actually do those things. Go on and keep rewarding democrats for sprinting further right and dumping whatever scraps they promise on Day One.
Well, as it stands, intentionally or not, you’re encouraging making people’s votes (not for Trump) not matter.
Purge works both ways, Donnie.
Unfortunately the press and the peanut gallery have it very wrong on this one.
He’s not calling for the purge.
He’s calling for krystalnacht.
That was a purge though. Also the night of the long knives.
Yeah the message is getting across.
When people are using the the term “The Purge” they mean like in the movie series. Very different concept.
Which isn’t what he said. He said let the police loose for one “very rough” hour. Not everyone gets to do something for a day. He did not describe the movie like the media is suggesting. That would involve people shooting back at him. Which he’s not a fan of. No he described something altogether darker where he and the police get to kill people with no accountability.
You literally just explained my own point back to me.
I see what happened. I didn’t see the entire thread and assumptions got made. Sorry about that.
You two are great, it’s nice to see people not get all chest thumpy online.
All good 👍
Unfortunately the press and the peanut gallery have it very wrong on this one.
Deliberately. Comparing it to the Purge rather than the Kristallnacht gives the majority of people who only read the headline the wrong idea about what he actually meant, which derails the discussion towards “crazy old man says another crazy thing” rather than “crazy old fascist says another fascist thing”.
Sadly he’d have his little safe room to quiver in until the dust settles. Like the rich people in the movies that would drop security shutters and party through the holiday.
Wouldn’t even be in a safe room, he just wouldn’t be in the country.
Getting way too real but those movies are actually well worth watching. No, not the first one where Ethan Hawke and Lena Heady are rich white upper middle class people who are betrayed by their neighbors because they didn’t own enough guns. Like… every other Purge movie
The reality is what we already see. The Holy Second Amendment is supposed to let people defend thmselves but it results in rich (predominantly white) people owning forty ARs and heavy body armor whereas lower class ethnic folk MIGHT have a pistol for self defense. And when shit hits the fan? Fat white kids cross state lines to mow down some protesters with their assault rifles.
And every movie (except the god awful first one) addresses this. Bubba Gump’s convenience store lost their purge insurance so he is forced to try and defend his livelihood. Hispanic women are openly told they will be raped when the clock hits 6 (?). Impoverished black neighborhoods have klan members bussed in to murder them all (its cool though because Y’lan Noel goes John Wick on the nazis). Totally Not Hilary Clinton gets the biggest target ever painted on her head on purge night (its cool though. Frank Grillo is mostly only a dumbfuck that Chris Evans will never talk to again but damned if he isn’t an awesome white guy with a pistol). And the rest of the rich white fucks just hang out in panic rooms with the poors they bought the rights to torture and murder.
Because that is the reality. Privilege is everything. If you have enough money you can avoid the consequences of anything. Whether it is the decades of horror because people were too busy looking at Marisa Tomei’s ta-tas to realize she should not be allowed to write legislature, the fucking idiocy of wanting a heavily armed populace, or just driving drunk and running over a few kids in a car.
It’s an outrageously idiotic idea if you put more than 3 seconds of thought into it. It’s cool they were able to make some kind of allegory for the lowest common denominator to understand classism or some shit, but I don’t know how anyone could suspend disbelief given such a ridiculous premise
I mean, I dont disagree that the concept is insanely idiotic but all they’ve done in the purge is take the concept of a pogrom and applied it to modern day america. The premise isn’t that rediculous. It has happened, in real life. Yeah they’ve leaned into it, and dialed up the crazy fevor a bit, but its not so removed from real life accounts of pogroms.
Also we literally have a presidential candidate with far too high of a chance of winning advocating for it. A period of ultraviolence against the people he doesn’t like to scare everyone else from doing anything for the entire year.
Privilege is everything. If you have enough money you can avoid the consequences of anything
For more information, please watch Infinity Pool (2023)
Seriously.
He says: ‘One rough hour and I mean real rough, the word would get out and it would end immediately.’”
Word would get out all right. And the 2020 protests would be a handful of angry karens in comparison.
One comment Trump made drew condemnation…
Just one?
If they actually did that it would probably start a second civil war for the USA, right? Good luck, people across the pond. Try to keep your country sane
