You know what’s great for getting Cuban votes in Miami? Supporting sanctions and starving out Cuba.
The gusano voting bloc is mutually exclusive with people who don’t like starving foreign countries.
There may be hope for Cubans who fled in the 90s due to famine, but the social relations and economic and cultural history of the ones who fled either fearing the wrath of the people they’d exploited or seeking to restore the privilege they had pre-revolution are always going to vote for the fascists.
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The gusano
You know there’s a way to make your point politically without using literal slurs right?
This one confuses me, what’s the basis for this being a slur? It’s based in ideology, not race (given that it was invented by cubans for use on other cubans) or sexuality.
That would make Tankie a slur too, wouldn’t it?
Yes but they’re okay with that one :/
what’s the basis for this being a slur?
It’s a slur just like “Uncle Tom” would be for conservative black Americans, it’s not exclusively racial, but it has a nationalist and racialist element, that’s added onto by ideology.
That would make Tankie a slur too, wouldn’t it?
If Tankie was used like Gusano is, to justify violence and to persecute, then I would be against using it too.
The term was also prevalent in hate crimes against anti-revolutionary Cubans. In September or October 1961, over the course of a week, 12 deceased bodies were discovered over Havana with notes attached to them that said "gusanos with pro-revolutionary [ideologies], CIA agents
During the 1962 wildfires that destroyed sugarcane plantations, locals in Cubas were reported saying that “gusanos have infiltrated the canefields.”[28] This led to quick military tribunals resulting in death by firing squad for “gusanos”
But no use of Tankie has ever neared how the Cuban government used Gusano to justify mass persecution of those unfriendly to the regime.
During the 1962 wildfires that destroyed sugarcane plantations, locals in Cubas were reported saying that “gusanos have infiltrated the canefields.”[28] This led to quick military tribunals resulting in death by firing squad for “gusanos”
You mean when the CIA was bombing sugar plantations in Cuba?
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Calling someone a gusano is more like calling them a confederate traitor; it implies they want to return to a social order where most of the people were forced to work the fields and unable to leave.
It’s not a hate crime to punch a nazi, same with someone advocating a return to slavery.
Man, it’s almost like their government gave land for a missile launch base or something at the end of a very long, cold war.
So weird someone would mistreat a neighbor innocently trying to provide a nuclear Holocaust.
Edit: here is the /s you weren’t looking for. Be better lmao
That has nothing at all to do with the US supporting terrorism against random civilians.
the end of a very long, cold war.
The cuban missile crisis was in 1962, near the start of the cold war.
But regarding the cuban missile crisis, the soviets stationed missiles in Cuba in response to the US stationing missiles in Turkey. The USSR agreed to remove their missiles from Cuba when the US agreed to remove their missiles from Turkey.
But sure the US had to bomb fields and machinery in Cuba, Cuba was coming right for them. Same reason they have to sanction them today, in case Cuba gets nuclear missiles again /s
They gave them a missile base after the US had already been sabotaging their fields, food, and electrical grids for years and sponsoring random terrorist attacks. Also, they had already attempted an invasion of Cuba by that point with the Bay of Pigs. Of course they freaking wanted help defending themselves. Or does that only apply to the US helping Israel but not the USSR helping other non-settler colonialist countries?
it blows my mind how much gusanos and evangelical chicanos & tejanos hold in common and i’m convinced that if they listened to the same music and spoke with the same accent; that they would be indistinguishable from each other.
Cubans tend to vote conservative. They vote that way because the Republicans have done their usual job of non-stop messaging on Democrat = Commie Socialist.
Many fled Cuba because of castro’s communism, and they understandably don’t want that again. There’s the religious factor, as many of them are catholic and of course the republicans call the Dems “godless” or whatever too.
There’s also this perverse psychology where people from authoritarian and repressed countries move out to democratic countries and then suddenly miss “the good old days” where reductionist messaging and “strong man” leaders just told them they were strong and flexed at every opportunity, but blamed everyone else when that strength wasn’t effective. Beat those protesters and jail them, send the military to the borders, arrest anyone who doesn’t conform. They want the authoritarian back. And the republicans offer that populist messaging of the strong man who is going to kick everyone’s ass, including the ones in your own country who don’t fit “the norm”. I’ve worked with emigrées (?sp) from both Cuba and Russia and it never ceases to both anger and baffle me that they ran away from shitty, awful dictators and then turn around and want the same thing here in the US.
I think what’s missing from your analysis is that they tend to be socially conservative. As in, they don’t like the gays and the atheists.
This was also left out of the discussion with Palestinian voters in Michigan at the peak of the blowback for Biden’s support of Israel a few months ago.
Are you implying that Palestinians aren’t going to vote Biden because they’re too socially conservative?
Well, it’s not really relevant when children are getting killed.by potshots and indiscriminate bombing right?
Just because someone’s parents are hypothetically massively homophobic, doesn’t mean kids deserve to die.
(Im not suggesting you are saying that)
so, are they voting for republicans because they hate gay people? I don’t understand the point of this comment.
Why would Palestinian voters care about an LGBTQ issue during the “Biden blowback” as relates to Israel? Wouldn’t they care about dead family more, and therefore not vote for anything around Biden, on that reason primarily?
maybe? Middle eastern people aren’t exactly known for liking gay people either. I was mostly just trying to figure out what you meant with that clusterfuck of a comment.
“Socially conservative” wraps up their position pretty tidily.
I have no idea what you’re trying to say in context. Which part is communism?
Sorry dude, my bad, that image is a “miami thing” where anything from libraries to taxes used to level the playing field are received with that phrase from Cuban/Nicaraguan/Venezuelan diaspora even clean initiatives and all in between with the exception of Parking and tolls.
Can confirm, it’s fuckin obnoxious.
Yeah, gotcha. That certainly follows.
I’ve worked with emigrées (?sp) from both Cuba and Russia and it never ceases to both anger and baffle me that they ran away from shitty, awful dictators and then turn around and want the same thing here in the US.
smells to me like it’s probably related to the psychology behind prolonged abusive relationships, or people continually getting into abusive relationships.
There’s the religious factor, as many of them are catholic and of course the republicans call the Dems “godless”
As if the Republican evangelicals actually had anything to do with christianism.
It’s not about what they actually do, it’s about how they make you feel about what they say.
It just surprises me that this messaging is so effective when Trump would love nothing more than to send every brown person living in Florida straight to Cuba, American citizen or otherwise. It’s a very strange sort of political climate where people who fear being deported back to Cuba are voting for the party promising mass deportations because… they don’t like abortion? I can’t quite wrap my head around it.
When the axe came into the woods, many of the trees said, "At least the handle is one of us.”
You understand that Castro went after than more than just slave owners right? It’s super disingenuous to pretend that most of the 1.5 million people who have fled Cuba were slave owners.
If they were fine with Batista being a military dictator, but drew the line at someone trying to upend his stint as one, I’m going to ask, why the military dictatorship didn’t cause them to flee every time.
You understand people fled Cuba not only because Castro was trying to take their plantation or Casino, but because the US has spent over have a century carrying out terrorist attacks and engineered a famine right?
carrying out terrorist attacks and engineered a famine right?
Citation needed
BTW: You mean that time when Cuba was soviet ally and had on their territory soviet nukes aimed at US?
Fuck you and your revisionism.
Take a listen to Blowback season 2.
They’re cultists. If you talk to them in neutral sub, You’ll find horribly defective logic and broken definitions (“Your definition of Anarchy is wRoNg, anarchy is an organised system!!!”).
If you try talking to them in one of their sub, you’ll get banned instantly. Socialists/communists are pro censorship and therefore pro coercion. No wonder, every communist state turned into dictatorship.
I agree with most of what you’ve said, you should read more from anarchist philosophers like Tolstoy or Goldman though.
Socialists
However I would subtract the socialist from you comment and just keep it at communist, there’s plenty of democratic socialist parties that never devolved into rampant totalitarianism like the leninist parties did.
plenty of democratic socialist parties that never devolved into rampant totalitarianism like the leninist parties did
I guess you’re right there, still, they tend to be authoritarian - socialism in the soviet controlled republics was rather ugly - centrally planned economy, rationing of everything from meat and sugar to cars and housing, censorship of any political subject in media, ever present corruption, berlin wall to keep people from escaping…
Not a place you’d want to live in.
Not a place you’d want to live in.
Of course not, which is why it’s unfair to lump in welfare state creators like the demsoc parties of western Europe, and the brutal leninist parties of Asia and Eastern Europe.
the demsoc parties of western Europe
They often have socialism in their name, but I don’t really consider them socialist, as you said - they’re welfare state supporters, which is really, really far away from socialism in soviet controlled eastern europe
which is really, really far away from socialism in soviet controlled eastern europe
In that it’s democratic and they want to expand rights from just being political to also being economic? Yes I agree, they’re severely different from the Soviet style parties, but that doesn’t make them not socialist, their left wing members will usually still argue for the ownership of the means of production by workers, usually they just argue for cooperatives rather than mass nationalization nowadays.
No, of course. Only the bad things are socialist! The good ones clearly are not true socialist! /s
You’re pretty fucking stupid my man. Leftism is as broad as anything else, and socialism can take a wide variety of forms and positions. Authoritarianism is the thing that causes issues, and that can be anywhere on the left, right, and center. In the traditional political compass (which isn’t worth much, but whatever) there’s left/right as liberal/conservative, but there’s also up/down as authority/liberty.
If you try talking to them in one of their sub, you’ll get banned instantly. Socialists/communists are pro censorship and therefore pro coercion. No wonder, every communist state turned into dictatorship.
are we talking about hexbear? The sub that is insufferably boring?
Anticommunists are right-wingers, more news at 11.
That’s a nice part of accepting refugees from a state like Cuba. You pretty much get to selectively import the right-wing elements of their population.
Similar effect happens with Venezuelans. The ones who can afford to uproot their lives are also more likely to align ideologically with US politics.
I used to work with a lot of Cubans. My favorites were the old ones. They would tell me stories about living in Cuba under Castro back in the day. One thing that I always found interesting is how they said they were happier. It might just be nostalgia but I’ve heard from older people from Soviet areas too.
Life was slower and as long as you did your job certain things were guaranteed to you. In a capitalist system you have infinitely more purchasing power but they would make the analogy of addiction. In the US you are addicted to money so you need to work a lot more to pay the bills.
Whereas in Cuba you spend a lot more time idle and just living life, even if you’re not able to purchase common items we consider essential. (Some days you go to store and there’s no shoes, next day there’s no bread, etc)
My least favorite were the 2nd generation ones. Like Marco Rubio. They don’t understand the struggle but feel intensely like they do. Very strong opinions with very little nuance. I’ve met my fair share.
Like the people escaping islamist hell holes only to be pro sharia in Europe. And people escaping violence stricken African countries and then end up in gang Fights against their countrymen in Europe.
These people are just as much part of the problem in their old home country as they are in their new home country. But where probably affluent enough to buy a (very dangerous) trip out of their previous hell and want to make their new home into a nightmare.
This is not all of them btw… this is a minority of the minority. The problem is, these people fuel the far right as if they are pooring liquid oxygen on the fire.
If trump ends up elected, I wish these people all the luck in the world. They will need it.
Yeah, it seems many didn’t have an issue with the evil shit just that they weren’t on the top and/or were poor
These people aren’t trying to create communism in America, the older generation fled because communism was making society more equal, and they stood to lose, and are the most right-wing mfs you’ll ever meet.
This applies a little less to the ones who fled after Reagan offered US citizenship and were mostly criminals who chose America over prison.
And not at all to the ones who fled during the 90s, fleeing famine after the USSR collapsed and the US wanted to make an example out of Cuba.
Democrats are not creating communism in the U.S.
Correct, but Rubber Duck was implying the people fleeing Cuba were communists trying to recreate conditions of Cuba.
But no, they’re absolutely not trying to get everyone healthcare and housing and a constitutional amendment securing LGBT+ rights.
WatchMojo’s Top 10 gusano moments
It’s weird to me how many various Hispanic voters are pro-Trump. A lot of them are Catholic and anti-abortion, and single issue voters are nothing new, but still. I just cannot comprehend such a limited perspective.
It’s a combination of things – Trump’s agressive, chauvinistic persona maps well onto Latin concepts of machismo, and there’s also a surprising strain of pull-the-ladder-up-behind-you thinking amongst established Hispanic families aimed at the current wave of migrants.
“Fuck you got mine” is the most American thing
Many Chinese Americans are also conservatives, not just second or third generation but also first generation when they were the ones that fled China.
Citizens and immigrants need to be provided mandatory civics education, especially adults
The Democratic candidates are not even leftist.
If you break it down on a policy by policy basis (is this policy leftist?) like dems are certainly not leftist. People conflate being “left of republicans” with being “leftist” even though a lot of their positions are quite centrist.
tfw petty burgeois are mad that communism took their oligopolies
Do they also support ending the embargo?
Hmm maybe these things are connected!
It’s not like Bautista wasn’t a dictator, so the question becomes why didn’t they flee the dictator that allowed you to have slaves instead of the one that wanted every Cuban to have a house and be able to read.
I am terrified to talk to mine about politics. Even though the Suarez’s are cool as shit, when it comes to Trump it is like I am talking to a bunch of terrified children.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Reminder.
The calls are coming from inside the house.
