Of all the Palestinian prisoners released so far, 98 were detained without charge. 119 of the freed prisoners were children and the remaining 31 were women.

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      But the media will still go along with the Israeli narrative and call them terrorists.

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        the same media that refuse to call hamas terrorists? or only the media u pick and choose?

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          Haven’t seen any media outlets not call Hamas a terror group (which they are).

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    Why are you calling Israel’s prisoners “detainees”, and Hamas’ “hostages”? Reading some bias here…

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      Keep in mind I’m just reposting a CNN article and because the rules say “original title must be kept” I gotta keep it that way.

      That said I agree that israel mostly kidnaps hostages from Palestine. They don’t “take prisoners”.

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      Hamas didn’t bother to try and to put theirs through a fake legal system like Israel did.

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        everyone stop everything, we got an Israeli legal expert here let’s hear him out!

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      They were held in “administrative detention” in a state run prison.

      Detainee and prisoner are pretty standard terms for that context.

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            As you can read in the article half the Palestinians that were kidnapped were also not held hostage for rule of law. Rather israel wants to spread fear and terror in the west bank to support their illegal colonies.

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            They don’t have to, Israel is free to make bullshit reasons to capture and hold civilians from another country some as young as 14 without charges but most people would call them hostages at that point.

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    Israel really doing its best to be the “only democracy in the Middle East” isn’t it.

    I’d be surprised if there was another election after this. Netanyahu is enjoying an approval rate of what, 25%?

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      they do.

      and he has really low approval rate atm, but it doesn’t matter in the long run, the last events just showed the danger Israel is facing and many Israelis will not accept terrorists state as neighbor anymore.

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        The Palestinians aren’t accepting a terrorist state as their neighbor anymore you mean.

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    Short preface: please edit your post to not include the full article text - it’s at risk for being removed (see Rule 2 in the sidebar)

    The headline is objectively wrong - all 300 on the original list have been charged (I haven’t checked the 50 who were added recently - life is busy). In fact, I went back to redownload the list to see if they fixed the encoding issue - they did, and they added the court file numbers for each person.

    Of the original 300, 233 have not yet been convicted and were awaiting their trials. There are 58 being held on a singular “פגיעה בבטחון האזור” charge (Google translates as “Damage to the security of the area”), and would likely be released anyways. I say that because the remainder have much more detailed charges such as:

    הצתה על רקע לאומני, נשק/תחמושת/חומרי נפץ, עבירות הסדר הציבורי, תקיפת שוטר בנסיבות חמורות, עבירות כלפי חיי אדם

    which Google translates as:

    Arson on a nationalist background, weapons/ammunition/explosives, public order offenses, assaulting a police officer under serious circumstances, offenses against human life

    In fact, it makes it difficult to do proper data science on it in no small part because the charges are clearly typed by hand (typos and all), and include many different individual charges. There are 92 who are being charged in civilian courts, which seems to be based on where they were arrested, as the majority are from Jerusalem.

    Interesting tidbit: none of the original 300 were arrested after October 7th.

    EDIT: forgot to link the actual list

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      I’ve edited some stuff out since you care about the rules so much.

      A legal charge is supposed to describe the illegal act the person has committed or a law they have broken no?

      “Miscellaneous” or “security whatever” isn’t a charge, it’s made up israeli kangaroo court lingo the likes the Russians use in their court systems. Especially when israel kidnaps Palestinians for over a year without any trial.

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      I pulled the list of the 50 added - it’s actually a little interesting:

      1. They are all women, 2 of whom are under 18.
      2. 25 are Israeli citizens. The previous one was exclusively those who do not have Israeli citizenship.
      3. All but 4 were arrested after October 7th.
      4. 15 were charged with “תמיכה בטרור”, which translates as “supporting terrorism”. Another 12 were charged with “תמיכה בטרור, הסתה”, so basically that + incitement to violence.
      5. 3 were convicted already - 2 for attempted murder, and 1 for “תמיכה בטרור, עבירות מרמה, שירות לארגון בלתי חוקי, קשר לביצוע פשע” which Google translates as “Support for terrorism, fraud offences, service to an illegal organization, connection to the commission of a crime”
      6. 35 of them are arraigned to civilian courts - 15 to military courts. As previously mentioned, this seems to correlate strongly with where they live/were arrested.

      And the crowd pleaser:

      Ahed Tamimi is on that list - she was charged with “הסתה, תמיכה בטרור”, and is listed as being a member of “חז"ע”. That is an accusation with very serious consequences if true - PFLP are a terrorist organization designated for sanctions by many countries - US, CA, UK, etc.

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    half truths become worse than fake news, reddit/lemmy/society is truly in a sorry state