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    “The Democratic Party has not only been complicit, but it has been an investor, a collaborator, in genocide and in the slaughter and displacement of thousands of Palestinians – not only in the last 10 months, but in the last 76 years,” the Party for Socialism and Liberation’s Claudia De la Cruz told reporters on Monday.

    “We need to sit and hold that truth as people in the belly of empire, and we must understand our historic responsibility to do something for the sake of humanity.”

    The news conference, organized by the Abandon Harris (formerly [Abandon Biden])campaign, took place as Democratic delegates and leaders come together to celebrate the nomination of Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

    *emphasis mine

    Oh yes. That’s quite clear.

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        3 months ago

        Did I say there was a lie?

        Is there a an “abandon Trump campaign”, though? I’m not insinuating that Biden isn’t gargling Netanyahu’s balls. I’m insinuating that Stein is a willing spoiler candidate.

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          You know, Democrats should try appealing to anti-war voters instead of accusing them of having hidden agendas.

          I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win. Appeal to them. Don’t insult them.

          I remember when Hillary accused Tulsi Gabbard (who built her brand on being anti-war) of being a Russian agent. How well did that go for Hillary?

          Even if Gabbard was a Russian agent, it does not inspire anti-war voters when you say that the only anti-war candidates are foreign agents. (I’d be like “well I guess I’m voting for the Russian then”.)

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            Did… you just reply to yourself?

            As for stein….

            She wants to provide no support for Ukraine, and for the US to leave nato. Which are the two things Putin wants the US to do. If she’s not willingly a Russian agent, she’s still very pro-Russia.

            I mean, here’s her own words given after the 2014 Crimea invasion:

            We should encourage Ukraine to be neutral–we helped foment a coup against a democratically-elected government, resulting in a government where ultra-nationalists and ex-Nazis came to power.

            First off, while Obama definitely offered verbal support to the people of Ukraine, we certainly didn’t incite the euromaidan revolution (which was sparked by Yanukovych ignoring parliament and moving closer to Russia instead of Europe- like the people wanted.) no, the five billion we spent in aid wasn’t to incite euromaidan- it was development assistance for ex-soviet states, spent over 20 years and mostly approved before Obama was ever president.

            Which brings us to how she’s practically reading off Russian propaganda. Remember how Putin’s “special military action” was to “eliminate nazis”? They’ve been using that one for a long time.

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              If she’s not willingly a Russian agent, she’s still very pro-Russia.

              If the only anti-genocide candidate in this election is a Russian agent, then I guess I’m voting for the Russian.

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                Guess that makes you pro genocide then, because in this world, ethics are messy, and not getting involved means allowing Russia to genocide Ukrainians.

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                  I can’t believe you would look at Ukraine, which has been stockpiling weapons for 10 years (provided by every Western power), which has membership in the United Nations, which gets nothing but sympathetic coverage in the Western media (because they’re white), and say “this is just like Gaza”.

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                    Did I say it was just like gaza? no.

                    I did say it was a genocidal campaign, though.

                    By the way, this war started in 2014, with the invasion and annexation of Crimea. So, naturally they’ve been seeking weapons for that long.

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            I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win.

            Of course, people in this sub don’t believe that independent voters exist. You’re either “vote blue no matter who”, or you’re a Russian agent.