• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Did I say there was a lie?

    Is there a an “abandon Trump campaign”, though? I’m not insinuating that Biden isn’t gargling Netanyahu’s balls. I’m insinuating that Stein is a willing spoiler candidate.

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      3 months ago

      You know, Democrats should try appealing to anti-war voters instead of accusing them of having hidden agendas.

      I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win. Appeal to them. Don’t insult them.

      I remember when Hillary accused Tulsi Gabbard (who built her brand on being anti-war) of being a Russian agent. How well did that go for Hillary?

      Even if Gabbard was a Russian agent, it does not inspire anti-war voters when you say that the only anti-war candidates are foreign agents. (I’d be like “well I guess I’m voting for the Russian then”.)

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        3 months ago

        Did… you just reply to yourself?

        As for stein….

        She wants to provide no support for Ukraine, and for the US to leave nato. Which are the two things Putin wants the US to do. If she’s not willingly a Russian agent, she’s still very pro-Russia.

        I mean, here’s her own words given after the 2014 Crimea invasion:

        We should encourage Ukraine to be neutral–we helped foment a coup against a democratically-elected government, resulting in a government where ultra-nationalists and ex-Nazis came to power.

        First off, while Obama definitely offered verbal support to the people of Ukraine, we certainly didn’t incite the euromaidan revolution (which was sparked by Yanukovych ignoring parliament and moving closer to Russia instead of Europe- like the people wanted.) no, the five billion we spent in aid wasn’t to incite euromaidan- it was development assistance for ex-soviet states, spent over 20 years and mostly approved before Obama was ever president.

        Which brings us to how she’s practically reading off Russian propaganda. Remember how Putin’s “special military action” was to “eliminate nazis”? They’ve been using that one for a long time.

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        3 months ago

        I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win.

        Of course, people in this sub don’t believe that independent voters exist. You’re either “vote blue no matter who”, or you’re a Russian agent.