You are. People would be very worried. It’s just that their worry would not be expressed in attempts to improve things in the long-term when there’s a short-term disaster.

If the Gulf Stream will definitely collapse in 2025 (which is not what the study says), then that’s too soon to do anything about, so the priority is surviving it rather than preventing it. Fundamentally, things that help prevent disaster are not the same as things that help survive it.

That’s true if it’s closer to 2095. If it’s closer to 2025, there’s fuck all we can do to stop it, and so we need to do what’s best to survive it, which is not the same as what’s best to prevent it.

It’s kind of important whether it’s 2095 (prepare for it, set up nuclear, reduce carbon emissions) or 2025 (fuck global warming, we need fuel and we need it now, the more carbon emitted the better).

Actions that work in the possible world in which it collapses soon are actively harmful in possible worlds in which it doesn’t. Acting as if a threat will happen only makes sense if the action isn’t significantly harmful in cases where it doesn’t, where significantly is based on the harm of not being prepared and the chance of it happening.

If the Gulf Stream will collapse by 2025, the response isn’t to be more eco-friendly. In fact, it’s the opposite. Everyone in the north should prepare to burn a lot more fuel, and concern for global warming would definitely be reduced. Global warming is something you can only afford to give a shit about when temperatures haven’t just dropped by 3.5C and you haven’t just lost 78% of your arable land (UK figures, because that’s where I live).

It doesn’t to me. It’s just communists vs liberals rather than left vs right.

As someone with similar views, I recently realised that I have the exact same tribalism and aggression, it’s just targeted at people who have that mentality.

Exactly. Blame/credit (blame in this case) doesn’t travel that way.

Take the following example: Alice and Bob both support view X. Bob also supports view Y. Y is evil. Then, Bob can be deemed responsible for supporting view Y. But X does not become evil because Bob is. And so Alice is completely fine.

Hell, “gaslighting” itself is a good example of this phenomenon, and it’s mostly on the left.

Nah, it’s probably because most of us left Reddit at some point, either due to banning left-wing subs or due to corporate dickery.

The right-wingers went their way, to places like Voat, Saidit, Gab and Truth Social.

If you want to link me to an author I don’t recognise, you’ll have to try harder than Luxemburg!

I’m pretty sure that’s what they mean.

Nobody cares what Lenin had to say. You’re not just talking to the lemmygrad lot.

Jeremy Corbyn is a notorious antisemitic twat who was so shit people literally voted for Boris fucking Johnson to avoid having Corbyn in power! How terrible do you have to be to get people to support Johnson?

The latter.

You are a tankie though.

If it were just that dimension, where’s all the (right-)libertarians?

Yeah, Reddit leans boringly mildly progressive, Lemmy leans communist.

Climate change will not cause human extinction. Even the worst predictions aren’t close to extinction level. There’s 8 billion of us and we have technology.

Climate change will cause bad shit to happen. It already has. But bad shit is not the same as extinction.

There’s no use arguing with Lenins2ndCat. I’ve argued with them before, and they already know they’re right despite any arguments or evidence to the contrary.

Then don’t call it communism.

If a vaguely populist leader started outright talking about supporting fascism, that would quite rightly bring to mind at least Italian Fascism if not German Nazism, and arguing that they just meant the idea of close mutual support and people being stronger together (like a fasces) would not work.