Mastodon exploded when Elon took over Twitter. Lemmy exploded when Reddit changed it’s api rules. I think the problem is not that YouTube doesn’t fuck things up, because they often do. Perhaps the alternatives are not good enough for early majority to migrate. We need more early adopters to migrate ASAP. (I’m thinking of PeerTube, but perhaps Odyssee has beter changes at the moment)
yeah, i fear that this is only going to become even remotely viable if, and only if, the user base at large can figure out how to coordinate communal hosting. Perhaps it’ll be rather slow, too, and/or difficult to use with a mobile device due to datacaps, low availability of storage space, and limited bandwidth…
if we enter a future where most people have a dedicated spare computer rig in their homes or a subscription to a private webserver farm that exists JUST to host peer to peer encrypted blackbox user-driven-content, maybe it might someday become viable.
imagine if purchasing an allotment of webspace became an essential part of one’s online identity every bit as much as having a primary email address for identity verification (as it ALREADY IS, which is crazy enough in itself)
Like, imagine carrying a dedicated mobile device with a 5g data plan, basically just a glorified multi-terabye wireless mobile SSD with a dedicated battery, whose sole purpose is to be part of the cloudhost swarm. It’s just part of your extended personal datasphere now. And hell, you can rent out part of its space to companies or people, even. Bytes of Storage become a secondary currency… I’m not saying I look forward to this, but … I could almost see it happening.
You are literally describing cryptocurrencies in the last paragraph.
Why would it need to be wireless? You can just place it connected to the wall.
That’s literally a mining rig. You let companies and people use your processing power (or storage in some cases) for a fee (the mined coin).
I think this may be the perfect description for Web3 tbh.
Actually, I think I like the old YouTube where people didn’t really make money from the videos posted. That way there’s more people posting and it doesn’t become a sickening view of the same asshole pouring vinegar into soda or whatever that’s all about. Makes me wanna puke 🤮🤢🤮.
Odyssee
I tried them ages ago and stopped, because of the crypto stuff and lack of content interesting to me. I quit YouTube a while ago so I’ll give them another try. :)
I switched to Nebula its affordable and has lots of interesting content from YouTubers I most often watched. Their business is sustainable, pays the creators fairly and has no ads or recommendation algorithm.
I’ve also tried out Odyssey and had the same issues with it. There was one or two channels I would actually watch, but I think the crypto stuff attracts a certain libertarian type. I don’t think it’s sustainable long term.
This really only happens when youtube becomes a worse option. The more YouTube becomes a junk site, the more reason to switch and other sites just become the better option.
I’m only here because this is now the best option, Reddit has gunked itself full of adverts and has removed the features I used to enjoy in third party apps.
It also takes much less time and effort to create content for a foum compared to a video platform, that might interfere when trying to build a community from the ground up
Mastodon exploded when Elon took over Twitter. Lemmy exploded when Reddit changed it’s api rules. I think the problem is not that YouTube doesn’t fuck things up, because they often do. Perhaps the alternatives are not good enough for early majority to migrate. We need more early adopters to migrate ASAP. (I’m thinking of PeerTube, but perhaps Odyssee has beter changes at the moment)
One thing that’s tricky with alternatives is just the massive bandwidth needed. You don’t need nearly as much for lemmy or mastodon
yeah, i fear that this is only going to become even remotely viable if, and only if, the user base at large can figure out how to coordinate communal hosting. Perhaps it’ll be rather slow, too, and/or difficult to use with a mobile device due to datacaps, low availability of storage space, and limited bandwidth…
if we enter a future where most people have a dedicated spare computer rig in their homes or a subscription to a private webserver farm that exists JUST to host peer to peer encrypted blackbox user-driven-content, maybe it might someday become viable.
imagine if purchasing an allotment of webspace became an essential part of one’s online identity every bit as much as having a primary email address for identity verification (as it ALREADY IS, which is crazy enough in itself)
Like, imagine carrying a dedicated mobile device with a 5g data plan, basically just a glorified multi-terabye wireless mobile SSD with a dedicated battery, whose sole purpose is to be part of the cloudhost swarm. It’s just part of your extended personal datasphere now. And hell, you can rent out part of its space to companies or people, even. Bytes of Storage become a secondary currency… I’m not saying I look forward to this, but … I could almost see it happening.
You are literally describing cryptocurrencies in the last paragraph.
Why would it need to be wireless? You can just place it connected to the wall. That’s literally a mining rig. You let companies and people use your processing power (or storage in some cases) for a fee (the mined coin).
I think this may be the perfect description for Web3 tbh.
Maybe we can leave “TikTok” videos over there but host “interesting” things like we do on our Lemmy servers.
I mean those videos getting 1.000.000 views, are they not a symbol of the symptoms of the enshittyfication of YouTube?
How much bandwidth do I need if I want to host woodworking videos for enthusiasts?
Also how are the creators supposed to get paid for their work if everything is free?
People here seem to think ads are just a vile cash grab from google, but in fact most of the ad revenue goes directly to the creators.
Actually, I think I like the old YouTube where people didn’t really make money from the videos posted. That way there’s more people posting and it doesn’t become a sickening view of the same asshole pouring vinegar into soda or whatever that’s all about. Makes me wanna puke 🤮🤢🤮.
Actually I don’t think there is anything wrong with odysee tehcnically. It is just marketed awfully.
I’m a fan. It’s not perfect but I try to look there first before I go to YouTube.
I switched to Nebula its affordable and has lots of interesting content from YouTubers I most often watched. Their business is sustainable, pays the creators fairly and has no ads or recommendation algorithm.
I’ve also tried out Odyssey and had the same issues with it. There was one or two channels I would actually watch, but I think the crypto stuff attracts a certain libertarian type. I don’t think it’s sustainable long term.
I checked Nebula and it seems super empty.
Affordable is basically a nonstarter for me.
The alternatives are expensive to maintain.
This really only happens when youtube becomes a worse option. The more YouTube becomes a junk site, the more reason to switch and other sites just become the better option. I’m only here because this is now the best option, Reddit has gunked itself full of adverts and has removed the features I used to enjoy in third party apps.
Rumble
It also takes much less time and effort to create content for a foum compared to a video platform, that might interfere when trying to build a community from the ground up