Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, attempting to put political pressure on Republicans, announced Sunday that the chamber will vote this week on a long-negotiated bipartisan border bill that Republicans blocked earlier this year.
It’s political hardball. Republicans use this issue as a wedge. By making them declare on it as a stand alone measure, Democrats remove the issue. It could pass the Senate, but Johnson will never bring it to the floor in the House. The narrative will then be reinforced that Republicans don’t want to solve the problem, they just want to talk about it.
Biden and Schumer have been very open about how changing a Dem Senators mind on anything is impossible…
And it’s a 50/50 split in the Senate…
So what happens if just a single Dem does what Biden has been asking for and votes for this bill?
What happens if it’s a party line vote and the VP uses her tie breaker to do what the president keeps asking for?
Like. You’ve heard the name “Joe Manchin” before…
Haven’t you?
And if it passes the Senate, why wouldn’t the house pass it?
They’re playing with people’s fucking lives for decades in the future to pull some minor political points that won’t change a single vote from R but will decrease Dem turnout.
As much as I don’t like this bill the answer to your question about the house is “because the house has been an absolute cluster fuck (more than usual) and it would exactly be surprising if they modeled incompetence for us again”.
I also suspect that the goal is to sweep the wedge issue and win moderate republican and non-affiliated moderates, not to increase democratic voter turn out. They’re basically giving the Republicans the “let’s shoot immigrants” bill they’ve always dreamed of to take that card out of play for them.
The scenario of a split is interesting but very low probability since there are Democraticame Senators who can make sure that doesn’t happen by their vote. I imagine there will be Democratic Senators voting for this bill. It’s not what they do that’s important, it’s what Republicans do. Johnson won’t bring it to the floor for the s reasons he didn’t last time. Trump told him not to.
The scenario of a split is interesting but very low probability since there are Democraticame Senators who can make sure that doesn’t happen by their vote.
How does your math work?
It takes a single D senator cough Joe Manchin cough voting for this for it to pass the Senate, then it will pass the Republican House.
You realize there are consequences for this that will last decades if it’s ever overturned?
This ain’t a fucking game, this effects peoples lives. It effects if people will live…
And playing with them like they’re pawns is something republicans do, Dems joining in hurts their turnout and when turnout is low, republicans win.
If it’s just political.points to show republicans won’t do anything, why not use healthcare?
Why use something that if literally anything goes different than expected, republicans win?
Tell that to ALL REPUBLICANS in the Senate voting to reject the bill.
What?
Tell them that this bill is something they should agree with and they could pass it, getting stuff they want while putting all the blame on Biden and getting trump elected?
The fuck would I want them to do that for?
I’m.praying they’re too spiteful and stupid to realize that…
To anybody reading the above, let’s remember that currently, that is, right now, there are Republican leaders encouraging to vote against this bill. It’s right there in the article.
And let’s remember that the first attempt was shut down by the Republicans.
So, don’t fall for what the AI bot is saying above.
In a perfect world things could pass with a 50 vote + Kamala Harris majority, but the Senate has failed to operate like that since they engaged the filibuster death penalty in 2009 when Obama was elected.
60 votes are needed to proceed on ANYTHING in the Senate and with a 50/50 split, the votes from the other side just aren’t there.
It’s political hardball. Republicans use this issue as a wedge. By making them declare on it as a stand alone measure, Democrats remove the issue. It could pass the Senate, but Johnson will never bring it to the floor in the House. The narrative will then be reinforced that Republicans don’t want to solve the problem, they just want to talk about it.
With Johnson’s currently fragile position as Speaker maybe Jeffries can twist his arm to make it happen somehow?
Edit: NM I forgot we don’t really want this hardline bill to pass.
You’re in good company on the Hill.
Biden and Schumer have been very open about how changing a Dem Senators mind on anything is impossible…
And it’s a 50/50 split in the Senate…
So what happens if just a single Dem does what Biden has been asking for and votes for this bill?
What happens if it’s a party line vote and the VP uses her tie breaker to do what the president keeps asking for?
Like. You’ve heard the name “Joe Manchin” before…
Haven’t you?
And if it passes the Senate, why wouldn’t the house pass it?
They’re playing with people’s fucking lives for decades in the future to pull some minor political points that won’t change a single vote from R but will decrease Dem turnout.
It makes literally no sense.
As much as I don’t like this bill the answer to your question about the house is “because the house has been an absolute cluster fuck (more than usual) and it would exactly be surprising if they modeled incompetence for us again”.
I also suspect that the goal is to sweep the wedge issue and win moderate republican and non-affiliated moderates, not to increase democratic voter turn out. They’re basically giving the Republicans the “let’s shoot immigrants” bill they’ve always dreamed of to take that card out of play for them.
The scenario of a split is interesting but very low probability since there are Democraticame Senators who can make sure that doesn’t happen by their vote. I imagine there will be Democratic Senators voting for this bill. It’s not what they do that’s important, it’s what Republicans do. Johnson won’t bring it to the floor for the s reasons he didn’t last time. Trump told him not to.
How does your math work?
It takes a single D senator cough Joe Manchin cough voting for this for it to pass the Senate, then it will pass the Republican House.
You realize there are consequences for this that will last decades if it’s ever overturned?
This ain’t a fucking game, this effects peoples lives. It effects if people will live…
And playing with them like they’re pawns is something republicans do, Dems joining in hurts their turnout and when turnout is low, republicans win.
If it’s just political.points to show republicans won’t do anything, why not use healthcare?
Why use something that if literally anything goes different than expected, republicans win?
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What?
Tell them that this bill is something they should agree with and they could pass it, getting stuff they want while putting all the blame on Biden and getting trump elected?
The fuck would I want them to do that for?
I’m.praying they’re too spiteful and stupid to realize that…
To anybody reading the above, let’s remember that currently, that is, right now, there are Republican leaders encouraging to vote against this bill. It’s right there in the article.
And let’s remember that the first attempt was shut down by the Republicans.
So, don’t fall for what the AI bot is saying above.
In a perfect world things could pass with a 50 vote + Kamala Harris majority, but the Senate has failed to operate like that since they engaged the filibuster death penalty in 2009 when Obama was elected.
60 votes are needed to proceed on ANYTHING in the Senate and with a 50/50 split, the votes from the other side just aren’t there.
Wasn’t it McConnell who did some shit like this, then when it was actually going to pass he had to filibuster his own bill?
Like 90% sure it was him
you are 100% right and Democrats and their supporters are fucking idiots.
This is the dumbest most raisin brained logic I’ve ever read.
It happens all the time here in Canada, opposition will bring motions doomed to fail just to have them in attack ads.
Idiotic, and people who think this is going to work is also idiotic.
Is they?