They’re refusing the proposal, and they believe that the only reason the proposal was offered was to make Israel look bad by …forcing them to refuse the proposal? As if a good faith effort to collaborate with two other powers in the region for a mutually beneficial ceasefire is an insult to them? As if Israel needs any help looking like the bad guys in this conflict?
It’s unlikely that the details will be known before an agreement is reached.
But to your point, what really matters is whether the USA will force Israel to accept the proposal, or if the Israeli population protests harder against Netanyahu (but that’s unlikely to reach the required mass).
Netanyahu wants the war to continue and will not accept any deal, unless his hand is forced.
Anyway, Israel was telling people to flee Rafah. My local news says they are probably doing that to pressure Hamas by panicking the Gazan population.
So, no, I don’t think Israel will accept the deal.
It is still a show of good faith and progress. Egypt and Qatar would not put forward a deal that didn’t at least have a reasonable point of negotiation. So far this is the first I’ve heard about Hama’s making a serious ceasefire proposal.
The point right now is determining what the sticking points are and why. This may not matter to Israel, but it does matter to the larger international community including the USA.
Israel has benefited in this conflict by having good enough diplomatic support to prevent a major escalation in the region. However, it is going to be a lot harder for countries like Egypt and Jordan to continue supporting Israeli security in the region as the counterattack looks more like a genocide. The issue is even becoming a pain point for Biden, who needs this issue to go away before the election.
I don’t see Israel changing its mind because of this, but I see the other countries in the region doing so.
I think a ceasefire is going to require Hamas ceding any claim to power over Gaza, I don’t see Netanyahu going for anything less. His reign is over the moment the war stops and likely both sides will be facing criminal courts, so I think Hamas is going to have to take the lesser end of the stick in any deal.
Its now just a question of which side gets what for their people before stepping down.
No. They came up with their own proposal, said they accept it and Israel got to see it at the last moment and of course refused it. So now we have headlines how Israel is attacking Rafah and refused ceasefire proposal which didn’t even include release of hostages just bunch of demands from Hamas.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but I don’t get any of that from your linked article. It clearly says, in the article you linked that Israel has openly said the return of the hostages will not end the war. It also says the Israelis didn’t attend the meeting in which this agreement was reached and they were contacted within the hour.
It sounds a lot like Bibi and Gallant want only want to finish the Nakba
Since that article says virtually nothing… does Israel accept that proposal? Otherwise, this hardly matters.
They’re refusing the proposal, and they believe that the only reason the proposal was offered was to make Israel look bad by …forcing them to refuse the proposal? As if a good faith effort to collaborate with two other powers in the region for a mutually beneficial ceasefire is an insult to them? As if Israel needs any help looking like the bad guys in this conflict?
It’s unlikely that the details will be known before an agreement is reached.
But to your point, what really matters is whether the USA will force Israel to accept the proposal, or if the Israeli population protests harder against Netanyahu (but that’s unlikely to reach the required mass).
Netanyahu wants the war to continue and will not accept any deal, unless his hand is forced.
Anyway, Israel was telling people to flee Rafah. My local news says they are probably doing that to pressure Hamas by panicking the Gazan population.
So, no, I don’t think Israel will accept the deal.
My understanding is this just happened, and Israel has not had a chance to respond to it yet.
Actually, it matters a lot, as Israel was just about to invade Rafah.
Wheels within wheels, games within games, moves and counter moves.
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It’s certainly to be hoped, but given the Israeli mobilization in the last 24 hours or so, I’m not holding my breath.
It doesn’t matter because if Israel doesn’t accept it, the war will continue as if it didn’t happen.
It is still a show of good faith and progress. Egypt and Qatar would not put forward a deal that didn’t at least have a reasonable point of negotiation. So far this is the first I’ve heard about Hama’s making a serious ceasefire proposal.
Well, I didn’t say it would be effective or not, just that it matters in the moment, it’s a focal point.
That’s what I meant by “Wheels within Wheels”. The political chess game that is played after each move. It’s not something to be simply ignored.
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Someone hasn’t been paying attention to what Netanyahu is saying…
He’s on the news every day. Kind of hard not to.
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In that case you should know that he’s repeatedly said that they’re going to invade Rafah regardless of any cease fire, it’s just a matter of time.
Last I heard they were already starting to do that.
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And would do so regardless, which makes any cease fire worthless until they change their mind and stop.
Twelve hours later, a lot can change.
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The point right now is determining what the sticking points are and why. This may not matter to Israel, but it does matter to the larger international community including the USA.
Israel has benefited in this conflict by having good enough diplomatic support to prevent a major escalation in the region. However, it is going to be a lot harder for countries like Egypt and Jordan to continue supporting Israeli security in the region as the counterattack looks more like a genocide. The issue is even becoming a pain point for Biden, who needs this issue to go away before the election.
I don’t see Israel changing its mind because of this, but I see the other countries in the region doing so.
They did not
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Sorry I was remembering a different headline – Israel did just cancel Al Jezzera and seized their broadcasting equipment.
Why are you so cynically dismissive of breaking news that one side of a war would be willing to accept a ceasefire proposal? It matters a lot.
I would say both sides have to accept for it to matter. Because that’s how ceasefires work.
Both sides need to agree for a ceasefire to work, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter.
I think a ceasefire is going to require Hamas ceding any claim to power over Gaza, I don’t see Netanyahu going for anything less. His reign is over the moment the war stops and likely both sides will be facing criminal courts, so I think Hamas is going to have to take the lesser end of the stick in any deal.
Its now just a question of which side gets what for their people before stepping down.
No. They came up with their own proposal, said they accept it and Israel got to see it at the last moment and of course refused it. So now we have headlines how Israel is attacking Rafah and refused ceasefire proposal which didn’t even include release of hostages just bunch of demands from Hamas.
Source?
One of them
Thank you.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but I don’t get any of that from your linked article. It clearly says, in the article you linked that Israel has openly said the return of the hostages will not end the war. It also says the Israelis didn’t attend the meeting in which this agreement was reached and they were contacted within the hour.
It sounds a lot like Bibi and Gallant want only want to finish the Nakba
Reuters is a wire service and this is breaking news. Pull your head out of your ass.
Pull my head out of my ass because I want to know if Israel would accept the proposal?
Wait an hour if that’s what you need. And don’t go to wire services for news. Figure it out.
Figure it out how? Facebook?
What exactly is your problem with me asking if Israel would accept the ceasefire?
Welp you answer is in.
Israel has rejected it because its too “Egypty”
Hooray, this was all for nothing.