• PugJesus@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Oh, is that what this is about? We’re attacking the Houthis in defense of Israel?

    Don’t be fucking daft, or disingenuous, which is worse because it displays complete moral cowardice.

    We’re attacking the Houthis because they’re indiscriminately attacking civilian ships in one of the most valuable shipping lanes in the fucking world.

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      10 months ago

      So it’s about money, as it always is. Going to war is always about money… I’m so tired of the U.S. being at war. We’ve been at war all but maybe 12 years of the U.S.'s existence. Don’t believe me? It’s surprising but true.

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        10 months ago

        Unless your ideal is an autarkic Festung Amerika, shipping lanes kind of have to be able to operate without the civilian sailors who go through worrying about getting fucking killed.

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          10 months ago

          Globalization isn’t a requirement. In fact, it’s completely destroying our planet and its habitability. But yeah, let’s worry about the shipping lanes.

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            10 months ago

            Yeah, alright, you have fun with the idea that people exchanging goods without murdering each other is what’s destroying the planet. Terribly evil, globalization. Or that the collapse of shipping lanes wouldn’t result in incredible human suffering.

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              10 months ago

              It’s called CO2 emissions, I’m sure you’re aware of it. The suffering climate change is going to cause in the coming decades will dwarf anything we’ve ever seen, unless we see a sharp decrease in emissions to zero very very soon, ideally 20 years ago. But, the next best time to do it is right now.

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                10 months ago

                The core issue of CO2 emissions isn’t “People now communicate, travel to, and trade with each other across the globe” but “Massive use of fossil fuels where they are not necessary due to corporate lobbying”

                Cargo ships and planes combined emit ~5% of our CO2 output. The major offenders are elsewhere.

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                    10 months ago

                    We’ll never reduce to zero, stop engaging in fantasy delusions. What can do is make realistic effort to curb the largest offenders, which ocean shipping isn’t a part of. If you think we’re going to go back to the age of sail and multi-year journeys for items to reach destinations then you’re high