• ctkatz@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    you know what the quickest way is to make a kid resent their country? force meaningless ceremony on them every day.

    i was forced to say the pledge of allegiance every day up until high school. it was a bit of a shock to not be forced to say it my freshman year. I can’t imagine how bad it would be to be forced to say the pledge and sing the anthem every day. especially if you get some of those teachers who have a flagpole stuck up their asses that they will give some sort of administrative punishment if you sang the magical flag song wrong. I think I’d tell my parents I was just going to live in detention all year.

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      I was born in a country in which this happened. We didn’t resent it, but it was annoying.

      And no one wanted to sing it too loud because it was embarrassing.

      But that’s what life was. Today I think it was bullshit. But back then it was just another stupid thing to do, just like getting up early to go to fucking school.

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      We definitely had to do the same thing as well. It’s been 2 decades since I graduated high school (I hate that fact…) and I can’t remember if it ended in high school completely, or if we had to at least stand while it played.

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    Considering that it’s already illegal to force students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, or even stand for it, this is at best idiotic, and at worst, a gateway to overturning the bit about the Pledge and opening the gates to political indoctrination of children.

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      10 months ago

      Since when? Did it happen during or after the whole “take a knee” thing? I definitely had to do it until at least 8th grade which was 1999-2000.

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      Right-wing performative patriotism is there to stop people from thinking that their country could be better, because of course it’s already the best.

      Actual patriotism is the act of improving your home to be worthy of pride.

      Remember when conservatives were freaking out at Colin Kaepernick because he wasn’t doing the performance right? Because he was trying to bring attention to the plight of black folks in our country? It’s because they confuse nationalism with patriotism; they were pissed at Kaepernick for “hating America,” when he was saying “we should be better.”

      The nationalists don’t want to country to work for everyone though.

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    10 months ago

    Meanwhile in Michigan they’re trying to make community College free…

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    10 months ago

    which would require all teachers and students at Iowa schools to sing at least one verse of the national anthem every day

    That’s weirder than requiring the whole thing.

    Doubtful Trump could get through a whole verse correctly even with a prompter.

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      “oh shay can you see… see they’re all against us, and we’re going to show them. By the dawns… I knew a woman named dawn… Great woman, gorgeous like Ivanka… Uhh… Light. What do proudly… We are a proud people and we won’t stand for their tricks, their cheats. We hail… you know Hitler was hailed as a great guy. Amazing person, did great things.”

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    I can think of not a lot of easier ways to make both students and teachers un-patriotic. This kind of stuff doesn’t work like they think it does.

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    10 months ago

    It’s conditioning. The children are a captive audience. They do not have the option to stay seated and not participate. They are compelled to take part in this, by the government.

    Article 1, section 7 of Iowa’s constitution states:

    Liberty of speech and press. Every person may speak, write, and publish his sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of that right. No law shall be passed to restrain or abridge the liberty of speech, or of the press. In all prosecutions or indictments for libel, the truth may be given in evidence to the jury, and if it appears* to the jury that the matter charged as libellous was true, and was published with good motives and for justifiable ends, the party shall be acquitted. *In the original text, the word is “appear”, see original Constitution, Art. I, §7

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    10 months ago

    I hope there’s this one fabulous theater kid who belts it out in different arrangements everyday and also dances while singing it. And in other days plays an instrument.

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    10 months ago

    If a teacher chooses not to lead the class in singing the national anthem, the school’s principal would be required to find another teacher to lead the singing.

    I bet all the principals in Iowa will love this, when all of the teachers refuse to do it. Or there’ll be one or two compliant teachers per school who will subsequently be required to make the rounds to every classroom every day.

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      Every day, one teacher is the designated singer. The principal will not be told who it is and must locate them. Sing slowly, try different volumes and ranges until you wreck your voice, get paid time off to recover (maybe with some extra steps involving lawyers).

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    I’d love for someone there to explain to me what problem they think they are solving here.

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      woke anti america thinking. because how dare a teenager be able to think for themselves and realize that this country did and does unjustifiably shitty things and hasn’t acknowledged or apologized for them.