• Vanth@reddthat.com
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    10 months ago

    statistically proven biological imperative drives us to procreate

    Eh? Why does birth rate drop in countries with top economies versus those that don’t?

    You wanting 6+ kids means nothing.

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      10 months ago

      Eh? Why does birth rate drop in countries with top economies versus those that don’t?

      Developed countries tend to have a lower fertility rate due to lifestyle choices associated with economic affluence where mortality rates are low, birth control is easily accessible and children often can become an economic drain caused by housing, education cost and other cost involved in bringing up children. Higher education and professional careers often mean that women have children late in life. This can result in a demographic economic paradox. sauce

      In order to maintain that high quality of life you have to work a shitload and to get those high paying jobs you have to spend years of your life upskilling and competing for better jobs.

      Remove the economic factor and give everyone that astounding QOL and boom… we can breed without worries of providing and we don’t even have to stress about maintaining our QOL. We can all be stay at home parents who just raise our kids if we choose to.

      I can’t afford a 4-6+++ bedroom house in the Greater Boston area where my friends and family are without having soul-crushing long commute times. I need a commute because I need to work to put food on the table and pay for rent. Remove the barriers and keep at least even QOL and I will not work, i’ll instead devote my time to doing literally anything else.

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        10 months ago

        Missing a lot of other pieces from that same source:

        In developing countries children are needed as a labour force and to provide care for their parents in old age. In these countries, fertility rates are higher due to the lack of access to contraceptives and generally lower levels of female education. The social structure, religious beliefs, economic prosperity and urbanisation within each country are likely to affect birth rates as well as abortion rates,

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        fertility rates of immigrants to the US have been found to decrease sharply in the second generation as a result of improving education and income.

        Quite a bit there that contradicts your thesis of people moving to improved economic situations suddenly wanting 6+ kids and the population growing out of control. If people don’t need kids for labor, don’t need kids to support them in their old age, and women are educated and in control of their own bodies, there is reason to think the world might not even reach replacement rates.

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          We’re talking about a potential utopia where education is available to everyone, not restricted to first world countries. If you bring everyone UP to western world QOL and they are educated, you have to consider it in that aspect.

          The immigrant fertility rate thing is because they come from a place with low expected QOL so they don’t think they need the american dream with air conditioning, going out to eat or having nice things and instead go with more kids because they were raised that way. The second generation gets used to say american QOL and wants to have those same nice things the neighbors have- after all they grow up in the american school system meeting other kids right?.. so you need to work to get those high QOL things and suddenly you’re in the situation I have described: needing more professional attainment to keep up the expected QOL and delaying children.

          Does that make sense?

          Do you have any kind of evidence showing that free of all financial constraints people will not have children in a mid-high COL area?

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            Do you have any evidence that free-from-labor and wholly financially stable people would want 6+ kids?

            Billionaires basically live in a utopia now and they don’t (generally) have 6+ kids. Musk is considered a weirdo and probably racist for wanting so many “genetically superior” offspring.