• Vanth@reddthat.com
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    8 months ago

    Missing a lot of other pieces from that same source:

    In developing countries children are needed as a labour force and to provide care for their parents in old age. In these countries, fertility rates are higher due to the lack of access to contraceptives and generally lower levels of female education. The social structure, religious beliefs, economic prosperity and urbanisation within each country are likely to affect birth rates as well as abortion rates,

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    fertility rates of immigrants to the US have been found to decrease sharply in the second generation as a result of improving education and income.

    Quite a bit there that contradicts your thesis of people moving to improved economic situations suddenly wanting 6+ kids and the population growing out of control. If people don’t need kids for labor, don’t need kids to support them in their old age, and women are educated and in control of their own bodies, there is reason to think the world might not even reach replacement rates.

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      8 months ago

      We’re talking about a potential utopia where education is available to everyone, not restricted to first world countries. If you bring everyone UP to western world QOL and they are educated, you have to consider it in that aspect.

      The immigrant fertility rate thing is because they come from a place with low expected QOL so they don’t think they need the american dream with air conditioning, going out to eat or having nice things and instead go with more kids because they were raised that way. The second generation gets used to say american QOL and wants to have those same nice things the neighbors have- after all they grow up in the american school system meeting other kids right?.. so you need to work to get those high QOL things and suddenly you’re in the situation I have described: needing more professional attainment to keep up the expected QOL and delaying children.

      Does that make sense?

      Do you have any kind of evidence showing that free of all financial constraints people will not have children in a mid-high COL area?

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        8 months ago

        Do you have any evidence that free-from-labor and wholly financially stable people would want 6+ kids?

        Billionaires basically live in a utopia now and they don’t (generally) have 6+ kids. Musk is considered a weirdo and probably racist for wanting so many “genetically superior” offspring.