Been thinking a bit about this, popular music (the ones that hit top 100 charts or whatever) never has lyrics that point out real problems or point to culprits and how they’re fucking our shit, which is very easy to find in punk rock and some variations, as well as rap.
Of course, part of the problem are the record labels themselves, which often hold artists “hostage” in order to profit off them. Bigger ones will obviously prefer to avoid having such lyrics become popular.
Still, there seems to be absolute zero songs in certain genres that even come within 10 meters of talking/singing/teaching/bringing awareness about situations that affect a LOT of listeners, even from far away, and would be extremely helpful in spreading some knowledge.
Granted, doing so is easier said than done, a catchy tune that calls out big oil’s many attempts to burn the world, or big pharma’s frequent price gouging, aren’t things “any idiot” can come up with. But that nobody outside “angry” genres seems to be doing it is what saddens me.
I feel like pop songs are incompatible with the kind of message you’re proposing. Pop songs need to be generic, lighthearted and catchy to receive as wide an audience as possible.
U2, Midnight Oil both managed it
While there may very well be a conspiracist element to this, I suspect that it’s simpler than that. For a lot of people music is meant to be their escape from reality, so having reality interject ruins the experience - as such any songs that try to capture that simply don’t get as popular, so end up in alternative genres
Yeah, popular music - by definition - is going to have a broad appeal, and pointing out major problems with our society is always going to be at least a bit divisive, especially when the issue is split in party lines
That is it for me. Music, like PC games and Movies/TV Shows, are my escape from reality and I don’t want to have that tainted and ruined by real world, politics or the like.
Alternatively, most people don’t want to hear about such things in music because it’s an escape for them. When I’m listening to music its because I want to zone out and forget the world. Often because I’m stressed or overwhelmed. I can relax to the music and drift off.
Every other part of the world is enraged about social issues. Social media, news, TV and movies, advertising, politics, idle chit chat, even the products you buy when they have banners and shit on them. Art can be used to heighten social issues but it’s also used just as frequently to hide away from them and give yourself a reprieve from the storm.
Dude, you are overthinking this. Like, you spent longer thinking about the alleged pacification of masses by agenda driven producers than said producers spent thinking about the songs in question.
There is no agenda and/or purpose behind this. You just made the mistake to assume your views on one of the most subjective topics possible (music) are fitting for music in general. That’s not the case.
You might like a little rebellion, commentary, what have you in your music. You might like to express the issues that move you via music. Many others don’t.
The charts are, what people are actually listening to, so don’t mistake the charts for something that’s only pushed by labels or something. It takes listeners and labels to push something into the charts.
That doesn’t say that there are never songs of the critical variety in the charts or anything. It’s just rarer.
the charts are what people are actually listening to
But this statement by itself is incredibly disingenuous. Artists and record labels literally have to pay Spotify to get their songs to be played in the algorithm. Yes, it is technically what people are listening to but it’s actually almost always which record company decided to break open their wallet the most for that particular song.
Fair points
you are overthinking this. (…) You just made the mistake to assume your views on one of the most subjective topics possible (music) are fitting for music in general. You might like a little rebellion, (…) others don’t.
Guess that’s why it’s a shower thought :P
Still, it’s something that I (over)think about every now and then, probably for dumb or wrong reasons.
I’m pretty sure that there still are a lot of songs about social issues.
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That was not the point I was making
Rage Against the Machine and Public Enemy come immediately to mind.
Edit: I guess those would fall into, what you call, “angry genres”. Not sure if that matters when it comes to spreading information. Popular is popular regardless of tone, and what is popular changes pretty regularly.
But that nobody outside “angry” genres seems to be doing it is what saddens me.
There’s a lot of “non-angry” (ie no thick distorted guitars and screamed vocals) music that has strong political themes and social commentary going on. A lot of folk, blues, EBM, EDM, reagge, dub is about the struggles of the working class, people of color etc, has anti-capitalist, anti-war and anti-globalisation message.
Leslie fish
Asian Dub Foundation
Later VNV Nation (early works are stylistically more “angry”, but thematically similar)
Covenant
Chip Taylor
Shamen
And many morePop music is happy, dance, fun music - usually. Nothing weird about that. It’s weird when it isn’t.
I think it’s called “escapism”
King Gizzard? Like, okay, they aren’t Superbowl popular (yet), and they aren’t exactly pop-music from a genre standpoint (though they’ve had albums that dip into that), but they’re growing rapidly. They’re also indie, so they don’t have the issues that come with being on a label, but damn, they’re growing pretty rapidly despite not having that kinda backing.
I think it’s because the top 100 or whatever chart you’re looking at is meaningless these days. It used to be a fair representation of what people were listening to, I remember people taping the top 40 off the radio on a Sunday to listen to through the week, everyone was on the same page regarding new single releases.
Now we’re atomized, I don’t even know what the #1 single is on any given week and I don’t care. I’ve got 30,000 tracks on my home server. There’s no new artist who can speak for a generation like Dylan or Woody Guthrie could in their day.
Not to mention those charts are easily manipulated nowadays. The criteria changes depending on who they want to put at the top.
It’s a byproduct of diminishing sales of singles. You couldn’t rig the charts in the 70’s or 80’s without spending a small fortune.
Hey OP, have you listened to what’s on country radio these days? EVERY other song is about how alcohol is so useful (to party, to forget your ex, to enjoy being poor, to self medicate after a 70 hour work week). It’s bonkers. And the other half still reference drinking.
Long Neck Bottle has nothing on these insane anthems that encourage drinking and being happy being poor. It’s a perfect pacifier for a demographic that is largely impoverished with very few ways to escape poverty. Might as well have em singing along about how the cold beer they have means being broke is fine.
Where I live (not USA), most songs on the radio are about:
- having fun at a party/show/bar
- the joys of being single (flirt and kiss everyone)
- betraying your wife/husband
- crying about being betrayed by your wife/husband
It’s common to have a mix of those things in a single song
System of a Down, Flobots, Rise Against & Rage Against the Machine aren’t popular music?
Those are definitely the most popular artists in our current day. Rage out out a new album only 20 years ago.
SOAD has new songs out now & are working on a another album.
Rise Against released an album last year & the year before that.
Tom Morello released an album in 2021 & also has an XM radio show.
Someone clearly hasn’t been listening to the lyrics in pop songs.
Some modern pop songs are actually about some pretty dark subjects and aren’t happy at all. Pumped Up Kicks immediately comes to mind.
Listening to the radio in the car its 75% breakup songs, 20% about sex, and 5% butchered rap that have any possibly “sweary” word taken out.
Music of rebellion makes you wanna rage; but it’s made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age.
-Porcupine Tree
which is very easy to find in punk rock and some variations, as well as rap.
When it comes to rap, it was far easier to find.
I’m not alone in noticing that a lot of mainstream(!!!) rap has become a minstrel show, glorifying capitalism, and racist stereotypes about black people.
Yeah, I should’ve mentioned that “root” or “OG” rap went into that more often
Yeah, I should’ve mentioned that “root” or “OG” rap went into that more often
Here’s a few (many still not that new I admit) to get you started - mostly rap but not all rap. Not posting these to argue with you, posting to help you discover some new music. 🙂 Each of these is a personal favorite of mine. (Edit: I see you are in Brazil. I admit these are somewhat US-centric in some cases.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFazh_Z69uQ 2020 Arrested Development - Amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKHf1YVATfk 2012 B. Dolan - Which Side Are You On?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNUl8bAKdi4 2020 Public Enemy and Others - Fight the power 2020 Remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ 2007 Brother Ali - Uncle Sam Goddamn (this one really hits)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKHsGh-y8d8 2012 Brother Ali - Mourning in America 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S18KrqrC01U 2022 Dropkick Murphys - Dig a Hole (you can say this is about Nazis because of when the lyrics were new, but based on this recent clip, yeah, I don’t think they are only talking about WWII fascists in this cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlY9C6pzxKc 2014 Rob Hustle - Call the Cops
Edited to add: I have a tiny Kbin communityy/magazine specifically for music with a message. (I’m very nearly the only poster so far.)
I don’t know how to link it in the correct way for non-kbin folks to hit it, but it’s called Music With a Message https://kbin.social/m/musicwithamessage
Edit 2: Not sure if this is the way to do it for Lemmy folks: !musicwithamessage
I will continue to slowly grow the list there.
Subscribed thanks.