Edit: good to see I woke the shills

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      At least he did Operation Warpspeed. Funny that some of his supporters turned on him for that.

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        Great skills, giving a tiny fraction of the budget to vaccine research during a global pandemic that halted the economy. I’m sure no one else would have thought of that.

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          It wasn’t the giving money, it was the fast tracking in terms of regulations. Many people in Trump’s position would not have done that and would have waited the expected 18 months instead of the 11 that it actually took. Some in the industry were concerned as it was happening. Plenty of other countries dragged their feet in the approval process more than the US did.

          Trump wasn’t single handedly responsible for the approvals. Far from it. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t know much of the details. But it still seems he was pushing for it where other people wouldn’t have. I’m not sure Biden would have. Trump likes to play fast and loose where Biden is a bit stuffier.

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      “Thank you for your hard work!”

      (But actually thanks, nurses are the best. How can we make your day better next time we’re in the hospital for something completely our own fault?)

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    He’s already said he’s basically going to be 10 times worse if he gets reelected. I’m not sure why the people who support him think that’s a good thing. For a party that claims to love “freedom” they sure seem desperate to elect a fascist dictator

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      You’d think after he didn’t pardon the people in person that stormed the Capitol they’d smarten up. If that didn’t open their eyes, nothing will.

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            Right, but if he wants people to break the law for him, pardoning everyone who does makes sense

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              Why? They did it without the pardoning, and he walked away with his hands “clean” by not acknowledging what they did.

              Personally I think it’s funny seeing these people get time in prison, screaming for Trump to acknowledge them and pardon them lol.

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          He didn’t want the folks who would pay him to suddenly believe they didn’t have to pay, or be ticked off that they were having to pay (remember, rich folks can get snippy). I can’t remember the number that was floated, but it wasn’t cheap.

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          He believes they are supposed to go to jail for him to prove their loyalty. He really thinks he’s a mob boss or something

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      There are several different groups supporting him for different reasons. The biggest, I’d argue, is the slightly right very populist. They’re not into fascism per se, they just want a wrecking ball like Trump to go in and break apart the elite institutions they blame for all the problems and see no other way of influencing. There certainly are supporters who are encroaching on fascism territory. Then there’s long time Republicans who have flipped on a bunch of issues to try to get support from these people Trump activated.

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      Fascism is a president trying to take away constitutional rights like genocide Joe is with the second amendment and limiting gun rights. Trump has already said he won’t get involved in any foreign conflicts, which is far better than funding Israels genocide.

      Just ask yourself who you’re going to have more rights under Trump or Biden, then you’ll see who the fascist dictator is.

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        The great constitutional rights of living in a country where schools have to debate whether to run active shooter drills.

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        Trivia question: Which politician has proposed “suspending the constitution” in recent years?

        Hint: It’s the same politician that said "take the guns first, go through due process second.”

        Another hint: Trump said both those things.

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        I will have more rights under Biden. There’s more to rights than guns. Like as a gay man if I lose my right to exist, that’s a bit harsher than my right to own something.

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    Never had a president actually affect my day to day life before. It was wild, No thanks to that ever again

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      I’m wracking my brain and heart trying to see what kind of work will manifest this “not again.” Voting blue seems very amiss.

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          It’s too bad that not giving weapons to a genocidal government is not on one of those lists.

          I will never vote for anyone not currently involved in calling for a cease fire ever again.

          Not that it matters though, support for Biden has fallen to single digits among Muslims in the swing States, whose numbers are required to win those swing States.

          If stopping Trump was so important, why did Biden through it all away to support a genocide?

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            How old are you?

            There’s literally never been a good position on the fucking decades long Israel conflict that will please people. Most people smart and/or old enough know to stay the fuck out of it. It’s a meme, for fuck’s sake. There was a Rick and Morty episode about it several years ago, that’s how much of a meme it is now.

            If you’re judging Biden by that, you’re obviously too young to remember the last time this volcano of shit erupted. Maybe look at other issues that impact American’s lives that don’t have to do with inane fantasies about Armageddon.

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              I’m forty fucking five. I want us to stay out of it. It’s our tax dollars that are paying for the weapons being used. This conflict exists BECAUSE we don’t stay out of it. If we did, Israel would have had to actually negotiate in good faith decades ago. You are directly paying to enact a genocide, because our current president is unwilling to tell Israel to knock it the fuck off.

              Reagan stopped Israel bombing in twenty minutes with a single phone call. (Not that Reagan is a good person, just that the capability exists for Biden, he just chooses not to use it.)

              I do remember Operation Cast Lead. I’m willing to bet that you didn’t even know the name of the last time it erupted. You’re so ignorant that you view actual knowledge and lived experience as ignorance, because you’re so ignorant you don’t know how ignorant you are.

              Finally, this is not inane you fucking moron, you have no knowledge of foreign policy, and this very easily could erupt into a wider regional war that turns into WW3.

              P.S. It doesn’t matter what I think you fucking blood thirsty child murder justifying fuck, What matters is that a large enough percentage of voters in the mid-west swing states to be required for a Democratic win are Muslim. They correctly see Biden’s actions as enabling a genocide against a people they identify with. As a result, their support has dropped down to single digit support.

              Every other normally Democratic voter that wasn’t Muslim could choose to vote for Biden, and he would still lose due to actions that would have been possible for someone as idiotic as yourself to predict. The Biden administration has done it to themselves.

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            “I’m so angry at this genocide abroad that I want the other guy to start up domestic genocide here too”.

            I’m sorry but this whole “Trump might win again because of Biden’s Israel policy” thing is just insane to me. Trump would wipe out the Palestinians too, given the incentive, since they’re not white. He’d just kill the Israelis at the same time because they’re Jews.

            I think it’s disgusting that Biden isn’t pushing hard for a ceasefire and some serious diplomatic interventions instead of the bullshit he is, but there’s a 0% chance I vote for anyone beside the guy in the dem seat, Biden or otherwise, because I don’t want to get sent to the death camps by the final President for Life after a republican victory.

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              Trump would never kill the Jews. Not because he cares about them at all (in fact, if it were profitable for him, he absolutely would), but his biggest supporters are evangelicals who need the Jews to be in control of the region in order to bring on their Armageddon.

              I am not kidding:

              Prophetic Anticipation Builds: Unblemished Red Heifers for Temple Ceremony Soon Come of Age

              There are tons of articles like that from evangelical groups. They legitimately think this is the end times, and they’re happy to see all of us burn for it. They publicly say climate change isn’t real, but privately they say it’s ordained and a sign of the apocalypse. They’re against people doing anything about it, and there are Dominionists in Congress and the Supreme Court. They’re going to kill us all if they can.

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              You literally didn’t read a goddamn thing I said.

              It doesn’t matter who I vote for.

              Arab-Americans form a large population in the mid-west swing states. This is a known fact.

              They are a requisite component for the coalition that allows the Democratic party to win presidential elections in the mid-west swing states. This is also a known fact.

              It requires very little intuition to know that Arab-Americans will react negatively to a person who approves of and enables the genocide of a civilian population group that they identify with.

              That is what happened. Support has dropped for Biden among Arab-Americans in the swing states to a single digit.

              Every other typically Democratic voting demographic group could vote the same as they normally do, and Biden would lose due to loss of a key member of the swing state coalition.

              Biden took that action, knowing it would likely blow up his Arab-American support so that he could give weapons and support to a group that has so far killed at least 5000 children. If you sort them in order of age, it takes six pages to get to a child older than 0. That was what he was willing to destroy his chances of getting re-elected for.

              I’m not arguing that anyone should vote, or not vote for Biden. I’m saying that a win is now impossible due to his administrations actions regardless of what I, individually, do. If you want to be angry about Trump becoming a fucking dictator, be mad at the person who made it a certainty so he could help kill 5000 children.

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            Unfortunately in our current election system, voting for the lesser evil is what we have to do.

            Vote with your heart in the primaries, vote strategically in the end. So is the curse of our first past the post voting system.

            And do what you can to help get the people who want to do positive change in your local elections into office. The only path to ranked choice voting is getting enough support in the states, there’s very little chance we’ll get it on the national stage without it becoming a reality on the state level.

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          Have you tried taking a loan out on anything lately? Minimum 8% interest rate for someone with the best credit score imaginable. I know doctors and engineers who refuse to buy a house right now because we had an incompetent senior citizen decide to hand out free money several times when the country was shut down and burn money on pointless foreign conflicts that we have absolutely no business being in. This country was prospering when Trump was in office and it will when he’s reelected next year.

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            Interest rates are high because of inflation. It’s high in Europe as well.

            Do you know the number one reason inflation is high? It rhymes with “Shmutin invading Ukraine”.

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            Did you read through those lists?

            That’s a seriously myopic response.

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              I did, and it’s just a list of him spending exorbitant amounts of tax payer money on the most random infrastructure projects. Bidens like the grandparent who goes out of their way to spoil their grandkids, there’s nothing wrong with it up to a certain limit, but if we just let them be in charge of our finances we’re all screwed. A Republican presidency is necessary to balance out the overspending of a liberal socialist president.

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                You obviously didn’t, if you’re still spouting trump’s talking points.

                Or you actively want fascism, since he’s dropped the mask, finally. So which is it – are you being wilfully ignorant, or ready to be an open fascist? He’s making his stance perfectly clear. We can all see it now.

                If you’re still willing to defend that… I want to say I pity you, but I can’t. Fascism will lose, hard this time. We’re onto it. We see it for what it is.

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                  I’m simply a centrist constitutionalist, which is the farthest thing from a fascist.

                  I’m not going to vote for a president that consistently attacks my right to bear arms with a new law anytime a mass shooting pops off.

                  And I’m not willing to vote for a president that keeps on funding Israels genocide on Palestinians. Trump has already said he wouldn’t get involved in any foreign conflicts which is much more than Biden has done thus far.

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          Heh. And you’re not deplorable! What a lovely assumption, but if someone had say, GAD, surely this is the reply to make them vote for the covertly fascist over the overtly fascist party. If someone had mpd, bpd, surely this is the answer to turn away the wrath and violence of j6ers.

          I’m sorry you’re so devoid of imagination, you can’t imagine establishment D with zero personality won’t lose to the cult of evil personality, not imagine a viable solution.

          I wish you peace and healing.

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    Trump was and is a total shitshow. Anybody says otherwise is okay with his crapulence. It’s just a matter of who they hate.

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    He is polling above Biden in every single national poll somehow. Unless something drastic happens in the next 365, Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Americans have a really short memory.

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      This is not true. Boomer landline polls also had va going red and look how that worked out.

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      Polls a year out from the election. They have zero predictive value with regard to the ultimate outcome. Any pollster will tell you this. In fact, they have been telling us precisely this, but maybe not all of us are paying attention.

      These results are still deeply disturbing.

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      What happened to, “you can’t trust the polls”? And, “see, Hillary”?

      Anyway…

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      It’s nuts how short people’s memory is. It was just a few years ago that yahoos were invading our nation’s Capitol and Trump was orchestrating a coup. Now Republicans are trying to convince everyone that wasn’t really a coup, and have you considered BLM and scary trans people? Meanwhile the Trump camp has their 900 page plan to efficiently make the federal government into a right wing arm of the Republican Party.

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      Guess if Dems didn’t want that they’d give another candidate a genuine shot, but ol’ Genocide Joe needs his legacy. This’ll be it.

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        Incumbents historically have a huge advantage, any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump. Most Americans are embarrassingly out of touch with politics

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          Especially a candidate with left wing politics. There’s a reason Democrats run center-left candidates for president once it gets to the general. Those are the ones that win.

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          any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump

          The current candidate will get swept by Trump. Or have the polls changed recently?

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            Polls also had Hillary stomping tRump. Polls shouldn’t be trusted. Voting is the only thing that matters polls dont win elections voting does.

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              Yup, polls can’t account for something like an “October surprise”. In Hillary’s case in 2016, that was the James Comey letter that was leaked by Republicans Congress. It had the desired effect, with her poll numbers dropping virtually overnight. He rescinded the letter, but not fast enough to make a difference. This was all prompted by FBI agents in the NYC office who were leaking like a sieve to the press. So if you ever hear someone grouse about prosecutors supposedly interfering with elections because they are prosecuting Trump for his crimes, remind them that Trump got a whole presidential term out of FBI agents interfering for him.

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        Unfortunately, the time for a better candidate was last election cycle. Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.

        That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.

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          Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.

          At this point, what advantage? He’s been polling worse than Trump. He’s more of an anchor than an engine now.

          That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.

          With Dems there’s always an excuse to do nothing and hope really hard for vague change later.

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            Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.

            Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit. Voting dem won’t fix issues, it will just prevent many more from cropping up. What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.

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              Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.

              I’m sure many people will be comforted by that when he loses.

              Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit.

              Read up on the Ratchet Effect.

              What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.

              I too, like vague undefined concepts that obfuscate real potential solutions.

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                It’s not about comfort, voting harder won’t meaningfully improve anything, just prevent it from getting worse.

                I’m aware of the ratchet effect.

                Do you want me to list out every meaningful thing you can do to improve your life and the lives of others? Advocate, unionize, organize, volunteer, start a community garden, work at a soup kitchen, educate yourself and others, help someone in need, etc. It isn’t that complicated, really, and your denial of actually doing shit to help and instead whine about how Biden is a Neoliberal ghoul (which I agree with) and therefore can’t beat a fascist (I disagree with this) is absurd.

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                  Republicans actively laugh at protesters. If people are protesting, they think, “I’ve gotta be doing something right to be triggering the libs like this.”

                  /Grew up in a Republican household with all Republican extended family

                  In fact, the largest protests in history (to that date) were in opposition to starting the Iraq war. Fat load of good that did.

                  Democrats protest. Republicans vote. Guess who’s running the show.

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    As someone from another side of the world 🌎 I have to say that it was quite funny. Like a memexplosion. Granted, he did fuck up everything possible, thus strengthened everyone else.

    The only good thing he attempted was a TikTok ban. Should’ve been a short video ban

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    If there is an invisible hand, it needs to stop this. I’ll stop talking to anyone under the age of 28 ever again because if even one of you doesn’t vote I just cannot forgive.

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      why are the American people not fighting for a vote reform, to make voting on Sunday, like in every reasonable country?

      Voting on Tuesdays is just designed to keep normal working people from voting.

      How can you all be fine with that?

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        We Can barely hang on to the shitty voting system we have. I can almost never make it to polls (and often work Sundays) but I used to receive automatic mail in ballots. Now I need to apply for ballots early before each election and many politicians are fighting to make it harder and harder to do mail in. Women’s reproductive rights have back slid, internet freedoms have become restricted, vaccines are being required in schools and hospitals less not more. This guy is talking about progressive reforms and we are here just trying to dig fingernails into basic rights.

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        A lot of us aren’t fine with it. One side benefits when less people vote. Our government is absolute shit at getting things done because half of politicians elected want to hinder all progress.

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        We vote by mail in my state. I love it. Me and The Wife sit down at the kitchen table and fill out our ballots together and then pop them into the mail and that’s it. Granted, I live in a solidly blue state so my presidential vote basically doesn’t matter anyway.

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        So retail workers can’t vote because they work weekends? You’re gonna screw someone over regardless of what day you pick.

        In my state we have a minimum of two weeks of early voting including some weekend hours. I’d support some increases, but it’s actually not that hard to vote if you just try.

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        They’re assuming (probably correctly) that a lot of people under 28 won’t vote, and that (probably less correctly) they’d vote Democrat if they did vote. So if Trump wins and they pass a random 28 year old on the street, they’re thinking there’s a good chance that person is partially responsible for Trump’s win.

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          Ok that makes more sense thanks. 28 seemed very arbitrary but if the statistics say so…

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          If you’re in a state that goes consistently one way or the other, it’s probably true that it doesn’t matter. For president, at least.

          I often vote third party, and I feel very comfortable doing that because my state is very consistent.

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            I’m very much against voter nihilism regardless of the statistics. Regardless of if I’m getting steam rolled or not, I’m putting pen to paper and I want the record to show that someone didn’t agree with the mob - me, it was me. The US is a two party system and personally I think that sucks. You are definitely “throwing your vote away” by conventional wisdom in such a system, but if everyone thinks this way there is no hope for any traction or interest in advancing third parties - so I agree with this form of voter suicide.

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              Basically I think my vote matters even if it doesn’t matter, so I vote for people I actually want. Lol. If there was a race where I had a strong preference between the two main party candidates and I thought my vote would have an impact, I’d ditch the third party for that race.

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    Don’t worry, there is a slightly less senile and marginally more human out of touch old man with bad ideas here to save us. Lucky us, I know I’m inspired to be led by shitty old man A or shitty old man B.

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    Yeah if you guys put him in office again, I’m just deleting all social media including lemmy. Fuuuuuck that [most times daily, some times HOURLY] noise. I already live in a very depressing country, don’t need Americans to remind me they’re making things worse.

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    Look on the positive side, if he comes back for a second term there’ll probably be death camps so you’ll be killed and won’t have to remember when he becomes president for life.

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    I cant believe how dysfunctional the us has become.

    You actually voted for the biggest asshole and a retard to become president. He was wildly incompetent to the surprise of nobody. The country became a laughing stock. Secrets were leaked, justice compromised (even further), he attempted a literal coup. No, lets vote for him again.

    We knew americans were dumb, but holy fuck. You need someone to protect you from yourselves because clearly your government is as caring as it is in russia. The entire population should be institutionalized.