Quote: “We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”

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    We are called a nation of martys, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.

    “Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I’m willing to make.”

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    Meanwhile this guy lives it up in Qatar

    the tunnels are only for Hamas btw

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      Sadly dude doesn’t really know what he is and should be fighting anymore, and young people die for him 🤦

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    We are the victims of the occupation. Period. Therefore, nobody should blame us for the things we do.

    That’s one seriously suspect “therefore”.

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      Plenty of new recruits from all the people who lost family in the bombings.

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      Pallywood posts

      Ahh, so that’s what the derogatory term Israeli used on Palestinian. I wonder how many term they invented over the year to call Palestinian.

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    And THIS is the reason why the Hamas military and political structures have to get destroyed.

    Where are all the people that are screaming that Israel should make peace right now? Make peace with WHOM?

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      Maybe instead of attacking civilians they should target… checks notes Hamas?

      I havent heard a single person say that fighting Hamas is a bad thing. Not everyone in Palestine supports or is a member of Hamas, but the more you indiscriminately kill and maim, their numbers are likely to swell.

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        Maybe Hamas should… checks notes not hide out in refugee camps and use refugees as human shields?

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          If you think its okay to indiscriminately bomb civilians because there might be some enemies hiding amongst them, then we have nothing to talk about. That’s a fucked up way of thinking.

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          Ah, it’s perfectly fine to bomb hospitals and refugee camps because one or two Hamas terrorists are in them, then. Cause massive innocent casualties is an acceptable loss when you have the chance at killing a terrorist leader.

          In before “BuT thE Us DoES it AlL tHe tiME”

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            I don’t think they did it because they had the chance to kill Hamas militants. They actually did kill Hamas militants, who in cowardly and illegal fashion used refugees as human shields.

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              As opposed to the completely legal and justifiable killing of innocent civilians for the chance at killing purported Hamas fighters.

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                Yes. War is horrific, which is why international laws of war exist. Hamas commits war crimes as its standard procedure, while Israel is forced into impossible situations to defend itself legally. The reason conducting military operations out of civilian places like schools and hospitals is a war crime is because doing so turns those locations into legitimate military targets.

                If you don’t want your refugee camp to be a military target, don’t conduct military operations from the middle of it. Clearly, Hamas got the result it wanted: Dead refugees that it could spin as martyrs to fuel anti-Israel support in the international community.

                You’ve bought the terrorists’ propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

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      As we speak israel just bombed an ambulance convoy full of injured people. And then, not long later, the indonesian hospital in gaza was damaged even more by the israelis.

      Where are the people screaming that Palestinians should make peace right now? Make peace with WHOM?

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        There’s no peace for the region so long as the Palestinian identity continues to exist. Everyone knows it, none less than the Israelis.

        Even if Israel were truly of mind to “make peace”, far too many Palestinians remember the deals reneged on from the previous generation between Israel and the PLO. The origin story of how al-Mujama transitioned into the militant Hamas. When the best possible treatment Palestinians could get from Israel was wage slavery, settlement, total dependence on foreign aid, and not even having the right to travel freely. Second-class residents, not even citizens, in their own homelands. And the idea that anyone would have more faith in Benny than Peres or Shamir is sort of laughable.

        The outcome of this may as well be carved in stone. Israel will do to Palestine as was done to so many other victims of colonialism. Corner and oppress the people who were of the land until none of their childrens’ children can remember a time when it was their land. Turn any injustices into notes from history, to be discussed and studied but never repaired.

        But hey, the planet is dying either way I guess.

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            That’s not what the word “apologist” means.

            To apologize for something is to defend it. It’s indefensible. Israel is going to wipe these people out, systematically, just as they’ve been doing since before nearly any of us were alive. There’s only one thing Israel could do to lead to lasting peace in the region and that is give back the land. Anyone who thinks that is going to happen is delusional.

            Anything less than returning people to their homelands is just going to lead to continuing violent resistance.

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      What in the name of manufactured outrage! This guys interview was from 10 days ago and these lunatics keep trotting it out every time they need to distract from whatever inexcusable act of terrorism they committed in the past 6 hours. Whats even the point? It just makes this manufactured outrage machine that much more obvious.

      Here @dumdum666, why don’t you explain to me the legitimacy of Israel murdering 42 members of the same family the other day, including 4 doctors and bunch of children. That’s only from 3 days ago, so it’s 3x more relevant than the shit popsicle y’all are trying to sell everyone as chocolate.

      Your arguments are garbage and your rhetoric is that of a shameful tool that would see murders set loose upon the world if it’s for “your side.” You reek of hypocrisy.

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        This guys interview was from 10 days ago…

        I thought that thumbnail pic looked familiar. Thank you for the context! This is very important!

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        What in the name of manufactured outrage!

        The MASTER peddler of manufactured outrage, accuses legitimate news outlets like Times of Israel to manufacture outrage? so this News Outlet is only good enough for you, when it reports about Palestinians being mistreated by Israelis in the Westbank, but not when it reports about an official Interview a Hamas official gave, that is detrimental for your INSANE narrative?

        From the article:

        Hamouda and the family say it was an Israeli airstrike.

        No one was able to confirm this yet.

        Your arguments are garbage and your rhetoric is that of a shameful tool that would see murders set loose upon the world if it’s for “your side.” You reek of hypocrisy.

        I don’t seek your approval or that of your Hamas Terrorist friends. Whatever I write is for the other people that have to read your stupid shit.

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          The story is 10 days old and I still haven’t gotten a good pet name from you. Thanks for taking all that time to say absolutely nothing here. Also, if you’re making me the master does that mean you wanna be my little boy slave? Can we work this into the nickname?

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            I understand from your post @TinyPizza that you want to fuck me… but I have to politely decline. You are not my type. I have another suggestion though: you could just fuck yourself

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        You’ll find a lot of comments along the lines of the Hamas government and Hamas terrorist organization being fundamentally separate entities. You’ll also find a lot of people dismissing the claims in articles like this one or trying to paint anyone in Hamas inciting violence as ‘not important’.

        The idea is to foster a narrative to paint Israel as ‘just as bad as hamas’ and while Israel has done many bad things, the gap between the two is massive. I think it mostly comes from a desire to paint one side as ‘good’ and one side as ‘evil’ which isn’t always easy.

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          Over 30 Harvard organizations

          Student groups.

          Almost all muslim student groups.

          Who immediately got denounced hard by every other Harvard institution.

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          said Israel is entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.

          Mostly true, not supporting Hamas.

          called it innovative Palestinian resistance

          It’s innovative, and starting the attack when the occupation soldiers have just moved to terrorize the West bank is pretty smart.

          called the attacks exhilarating and energizing

          Eh, maybe if that was said on the first day of the attack, but it got ugly quickly. They almost sank to the IDF’s level.

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        Many people are calling Hamas “freedom fighters” and outright defending its actions. I would say the majority of Fediverse users fall into this camp, from what I’ve seen.

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          A majority? Well, you’re either lying or you have a severely distorted view of reality.

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          We’re simply calling for the stop of oppression and genocide and ethnic cleansing, if that constitute supporting Hamas then you be you.

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            No, I mean people literally calling Hamas “freedom fighters”, and outright cheering them on. There’s a difference between “calling for the stop of oppression and genocide and ethnic cleansing” and blatantly supporting the actions of a terror organization.

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              People cheer for nazis, too. Are you going to make a generic claim that “It’s mind-blowing that people defend these monsters” as well? Maybe you should make a comment about people who “defend” mass shooters too! Let’s not forget all those “defenders” of eugenics.

              Just because you see one or two people making propaganda doesn’t mean it’s something reasonable people are doing.

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                I don’t believe it is reasonable, but as I said, I am surprised by how many people are unreasonably supportive of Hamas, despite otherwise priding themselves on being progressive forward-thinkers.

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          You’ve got a mistaken view of things, but most of the Tankies do support Hamas I’d say. They’ve got this stupid ideology that anything that attacks the major driving force of capitalist imperialism (the US) is a good thing. It’s like bizzaro American exceptionalism.

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            Maybe the majority of comments I’ve seen have been by the tankies, then. There sure are a lot more tankies than I thought, though.

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          I have never seen anyone supporting hamas, at most justifying the legitimacy of some of its objectives and the right to fight for them, but not its actions; always being critical of hamas and its war crimes.

          In fact, high tolerance or even open support for war crimes is something I have only seen on the zionist side.

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      Not really.

      Go back in time. Hamas was originally created in 1987 to fight for Palestinian lives and rights - because Israel government kept oppressing and murdering (men, women and children).

      Whenever Palestinians would do anything back, they would get oppressed real quick (probably violently?).

      If peaceful revolution is not possible, violent revolution is inevitable.

      What do you expect Palestinians and Hamas to do - sit tight and die?

      EDIT: Seeing your other comments to people and calling some “tankies”, just shown me that it is if no use to actually discuss/ argue with you.

      So I will only leave it with this comment.

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        You are outright lying. In the first few paragraphs of Hamas’ founding document, it clearly calls for the “obliteration” of the state of Israel. It’s about genocide against Israel, not “Palestinian lives and rights”.

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          People tend to forget that one of the key justifications for Hamas splitting off as a distinct organization was that they felt their former parent organization was not supportive enough of open violence against Israel. Also important to note, the initial charter classifies diplomatic solutions as a waste of time and war as the only possible answer.

          Per your genocide comment, I’m guessing you’re talking about the hadith advocating that Judgement Day will not come until they have killed all Jewish people everywhere. It’s very rough, but do want to note that there is a much later statement indicating the possibility of living in peace with other faiths as long as they are never ever challenged. But… this is also sandwiched between a call for everyone to join them in jihad and a callout to a document with questionable provenance detailing a plot for the jewish people to take over the world.

          Anyone can read the whole charter online, obviously translation bias is a thing, but the translations I’ve seen out there are very harsh. There are items in there about ‘Palestinian Lives and Rights’, they’ve got notes codifying the status of women as lesser and taking jabs at anyone advocating for women as doing it just to make them look bad. There are a few random items in there that do look harmless at first glance, I’d encourage everyone to at least take a look through it, it’s not very long.

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    So uh… How about Israel stops bombing the civilians and bomb this guy instead? I’m sure if ask nicely the US will borrow them one of those knife missiles…