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      I do not think he changed his stance, but I’m not sure how it’s relevant to the election.

      The number of pro Palestinian people was a statistical blip outside of Michigan and certainly did not change the election.

      I really hope the Dems reflect on why AOC was re elected in a district that swung heavily towards Trump instead of doubling down on their clear and tangible resentment of working class people.

      Mike Huckabee is detestable, but that doesn’t make the current policies better. When it comes to genocide, splitting hairs misses the point.

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          glad you can laugh at the genocide happening with your tax dollars right now.

          I’d be happy to know what the difference is. Some meaningless red lines that never lead to sanctions?

          They already depopulated North Gaza and the West Bank under Biden’s watch. That literally already happened.

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        I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.

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          I’m really sick and tired of head-in-the-sand liberals pushing us over the cliff to fascism and then having the utter fucking gall to try to gaslight us that it’s our fault, not theirs.

          When you decide that the better option is getting out of the car and jumping off of the cliff yourself, that’s when it starts being your fault.

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            And I didn’t (I voted for Harris, and also kept my mouth shut about her sprint to the right, like a good little Democrat, until after the election).

            So you can take that accusation and fuck all the way off with it.

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          Now, now grue. We must not ever say “liberal” and anything negative in the same sentence!

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        lol. Ok. love the downvotes. The Dems have learned nothing since 2016. Blaming the voters for not cosigning piss poor policy and unpopular decisions, while gaslighting thr working class about all time economic highs based on shit like stock prices and CPI when the latter number intentionally neglects to measure housing, food, or energy costs. You know, the things that make up the majority of expenditures for the class of people who overwhelmingly swung towards Trump.

        Go ahead. Call me a deplorable. I’ll be volunteering in the refugee camps like I have been since 2017. Will you? Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?

        God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.

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          Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?

          Well they had 2 levers, really. If you ignore the primaries

          God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.

          The dems have lost so much Latino (and African American) votes because the GOP quite correctly identified that they could sway huge amounts of them with core religious and conservative messaging. ‘No rainbows’ and ‘no abortion’ seems to have turned more of them at very low cost compared to convincing them Trump has the right economic voodoo. Big chance those kind of voters are never coming back, regardless of their economic situation

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            Considering Trump didn’t beat his 2020 numbers and Kamala came up like 10 million short of Biden’s, it is not clear at all that people switched sides as much as Trump pulling in first time voters and Kamala failing to motivate the base. That is to say, claims about lost voters aren’t backed by the evidence.

            Yes, more Latinos voted for Trump than in 2020, but what percentage of that was from natural demographic shifts? I certainly haven’t seen that analysis, which is likely to skew the reported election day polls.

            Reflect on why 10 million people chose not to show up that day. Instead of blaming them, blame the people who didn’t listen to them.

            This summer, 30% of respondents said a gaza ceasefire would make them more likely to support the Dems. I’m pretty sure that 30% of 330 million people would have made up for the 10 or 15% of deeply religious people. Similar polls listed the economy and the wars as the most common issues for voters, but you claim- without evidence- that the motivation was abortion and gay rights, which poll nationally at 60+% approval.

            Seriously, reflect on this so it doesn’t happen a 3rd time. There is no path to a democratic majority that ignores the real concerns of the working class, which the Dems have been woefully inadequate on according to countless polls over the last few years.

            Am I aware that inflation was caused by Trump mishandling the pandemic and introducing tariffs and trade barriers? yes. Do I think Trump will be less racist? Of course not.

            But I’m highly educated, privileged, and don’t have more pressing concerns like feeding a family. I will not blame voters for exercising their rights. You do you though.

            I’m oh-so-sure you’ll channel that rage into something useful like community activism and union organizing, right?

            Maybe I’m an idealist, but I bet working in and with these communities is a better approach than saying “you owe us because of the civil rights act”, while ignoring the fact that the Democratic party authored the crime bill that gave us the new Jim Crow.

            What, exactly, have the Dems done to earn their vote?

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            Homey, Nancy Pelosi is worth $240 million too. Boeing and Raytheon love Biden and Harris as much as they love Dick Cheney – and they literally campaigned on that fact.