• nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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    4 days ago

    Or will you continue to attack marginalized people for pulling the only lever they have?

    Well they had 2 levers, really. If you ignore the primaries

    God knows the 2nd option hasn’t worked and lost the Dems north of 60% of all Latino voters. But surely it’s hundreds of millions of people that are wrong about feeling trapped by an economic system designed to turn their bodies into profit for billionaires.

    The dems have lost so much Latino (and African American) votes because the GOP quite correctly identified that they could sway huge amounts of them with core religious and conservative messaging. ‘No rainbows’ and ‘no abortion’ seems to have turned more of them at very low cost compared to convincing them Trump has the right economic voodoo. Big chance those kind of voters are never coming back, regardless of their economic situation

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      Considering Trump didn’t beat his 2020 numbers and Kamala came up like 10 million short of Biden’s, it is not clear at all that people switched sides as much as Trump pulling in first time voters and Kamala failing to motivate the base. That is to say, claims about lost voters aren’t backed by the evidence.

      Yes, more Latinos voted for Trump than in 2020, but what percentage of that was from natural demographic shifts? I certainly haven’t seen that analysis, which is likely to skew the reported election day polls.

      Reflect on why 10 million people chose not to show up that day. Instead of blaming them, blame the people who didn’t listen to them.

      This summer, 30% of respondents said a gaza ceasefire would make them more likely to support the Dems. I’m pretty sure that 30% of 330 million people would have made up for the 10 or 15% of deeply religious people. Similar polls listed the economy and the wars as the most common issues for voters, but you claim- without evidence- that the motivation was abortion and gay rights, which poll nationally at 60+% approval.

      Seriously, reflect on this so it doesn’t happen a 3rd time. There is no path to a democratic majority that ignores the real concerns of the working class, which the Dems have been woefully inadequate on according to countless polls over the last few years.

      Am I aware that inflation was caused by Trump mishandling the pandemic and introducing tariffs and trade barriers? yes. Do I think Trump will be less racist? Of course not.

      But I’m highly educated, privileged, and don’t have more pressing concerns like feeding a family. I will not blame voters for exercising their rights. You do you though.

      I’m oh-so-sure you’ll channel that rage into something useful like community activism and union organizing, right?

      Maybe I’m an idealist, but I bet working in and with these communities is a better approach than saying “you owe us because of the civil rights act”, while ignoring the fact that the Democratic party authored the crime bill that gave us the new Jim Crow.

      What, exactly, have the Dems done to earn their vote?

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        I’m blaming them for exercising their rights? I’m blaming Trump voters for being idiots and working class Trump voters as being the biggest idiots.

        It’s great you’re doing volunteer work but you sound like you consider yourself as an adult looking over mere children, apparently largely based on their skin color, and think your children should be given some slack.

        They are adults, they can vote, and the GOP correctly identified that skin color is not something magical that shields them from having just as many idiots either holding strong conservative beliefs or believing in populist economic messaging. Preferably both. And if the dems aren’t handing them out any gifts because of their skin color anyway, then what exactly is left holding them from voting for the conservative party?

        Now beware, before you go off accusing me again, that I’m not saying people of Latino or African American descent are somehow magically more inclined to hold conservative beliefs or otherwise being idiots. They were always there. The problem lies in the fact that now the GOP has found out they can easily target them. And in the US it always takes 2 smart people to cancel out 1 idiot, as the latter is much easier to convince to go vote.