Summary

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich endorsed President-elect Donald Trump’s victory, stating it’s “time” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.

This comes as Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu highlighted his alignment with Trump on the “Iranian threat.”

Tensions in Gaza and Lebanon have escalated following recent Israeli airstrikes, with regional leaders gathering in Riyadh to address Israeli actions.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog is set to meet President Biden, though Biden’s influence on Israel may be limited following Trump’s win.

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    4 days ago

    ITT there’s a lot of people unwilling to accept the Democrats didn’t prove their case. They didn’t convince the Arabs they would be any better for Palestinians. They didn’t convince unions they would be any better for them. And they certainly didn’t convince anyone leaning truly left to vote for them by seeking Republican endorsements.

    Look, I think Harris did the best anyone could with the cards she got dealt. But blaming the voters has never been a winning strategy.

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      Why does the blame go for Harris for not convincing people when it was clear to anyone paying attention that Trump was going to be worse?

      This sounds like how people talk after being obviously wrong and not being able to accept being wrong.

      If there are two paths and once says “Doom” and the other says nothing, only a fool picks the marked path. Only a fool who cannot accept responsibility blames the unmarked path for not being clearly marked “NOT Doom”

      When one person says they are going to do bad shit, it’s not on the other side to convince you they wont also do bad shit. The person assuming the one not talking who to doing bad shit will do it away because reasons is the problem. There is no one to blame but themselves. They will be a tool until they seize their agency and make an informed decision.

      Stop being a tool.

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        That’s the thing though. In regards to Gaza both paths were marked “Doom”. With regards to the left, courting actual Republicans clearly marked both paths “Conservative”.

        Your analogy depends on your point of view being everyone’s point of view. This is a fundamental failing of the democrats this year. They again acted like they were the only obvious choice and nobody could possibly have a legitimate opinion otherwise.

        If you ignore voters and let party elders call them Russian agents then it’s not exactly rocket science that they aren’t going to vote for you.

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          Fine one says “more doom” and the other says “less doom” and you picked more doom because it didn’t quantified how much less.

          The point is you picked more doom well. Blaming the signage being inadequate. The sign was clear to anyone that hadn’t shoved their head up their own ass.

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            You’re still not getting it. You can’t have “just a little” genocide. There is no more or less doom. There is only doom.

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              You can definitely have a just a little genocide.

              You’re inability to comprehend this lead to more genocide. It doesn’t matter if you can see it or accept it; reality doesn’t need you to understand.

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      There were two paths. One path was the dems, who I’ll be the first to admit, not doing a great job with Gaza. The other, was Trump, who is buddies with Israel’s prime minister to a first name basis, moved the embassy to Jerusalem specifically in support for Israel over all others and has proven to have nothing but disdain for anyone else in the region.

      I’m sure the people in Gaza hearing the guy who is actively excited about their deaths really appreciate those who didn’t vote “showing the dems” to swap out people at least attempting peace talks.

      And frankly not voting to prove a point is like fucking for virginity. All you do is tell the politicians that have an interest against you they don’t have to worry about you, you won’t vote against them either.

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        None of that makes sense. If the Dems are just greenlighting everything anyways, what’s the point for someone who cares about Gaza?

        If the Dems are taking victory laps on a failed economy, what’s the point for a working class family?

        If the Dems are actively courting the conservative family members of war criminals who lied to us to kill 4,000 Americans, what’s the point for antiwar activists?

        There is not two paths when the Democrats are acting like this.

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          Dems have been going for peace talks. Again, not great, but bout to find out what greenlighting everything really looks like.

          Failed economy, inflation was across the world, the US came out of it better in this administration than the others. Dems were pushing to get money for first time homeowners to try to get houses, get minimum wage raised, and to dial back student loans. The Republican House had blocked every step of the way but the movement went. Instead we got the guy who is buddy buddy and wants to put in the place to deal with government spending the guy who’s a union buster and wants to kill paid overtime.

          The conservative family members. I got no answers, like holy shit the worst commendation you can get is from Dick Cheney.

          But all of the above is put best “A vote is not a valentine, you’re not professing your love for the candidate. It’s a chess move for the world you want to live in.” Whelp, the move made was to put us into checkmate. Hope you like the Republican ideals, because if MAGAs can be dug out of the other branches of government, if the US continues as it always has and the scales don’t completely fail, we’re still going to have an ultra-conservative Supreme Court for what is likely the rest of our lives.

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            Going for peace talks? They fully supported Netanyahu’s every move. Biden said the word peace and sent bombs that are literally nicknamed block busters.

            If the Republicans are blocking economic reform then that’s the message, not one of victory and whining that people just don’t get it. All the average person heard was how proud Biden was of the economy. Meanwhile the working class is drowning in an affordability crisis.

            The chess moves must at least be moving in the correct direction. Or in the Bus analogy, you don’t get on a bus to hell just because they’re both going there.

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              Whelp, either way, got what you wanted, dems lost. Hope your high minded ideals on sitting aside helps us not be on the bus to hell, because you’re still living here and the consequences aren’t going to walk past you and yours with “Oh, you didn’t vote? A’ight, you get to sit this thing out.”

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                The people who didn’t vote aren’t dumb. They either don’t believe they’re in an impacted group, or don’t believe the Democrats would be meaningfully better. It’s really that simple.

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      ITT there’s a lot of people unwilling to accept the Democrats didn’t prove their case.

      seriously, stop with this bullshit line.

      if you can’t vote against a Nazi, then you are a Nazi.

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        I’m sorry was Richard Spencer on the ballot? How far does this transitive property go? Is the entire family of the voter now Nazis too? After all they have to sit at the table with the person and we know what you all say about sitting at tables with Nazis.

        This is a shit attempt at moral blackmail.

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          It’s pretty simple.

          1 + 1 = 2

          If you didn’t vote for a Nazi, you aren’t a Nazi.

          • you vote nazi = A
          • you are nazi = B

          !A == !B

          The question is, did you vote for a Nazi?

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            Oh so now you have to affirmatively vote for a Nazi. Well good news, Trump isn’t a Nazi, or a Neo Nazi. There are other flavors of shitty politics.

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              He is a Nazi. Blonde-haired blue-eyed Nazi.

              His political campaign is built upon Hitler’s rise to power. Not a 1:1, that’d just be fucking weird and obvious.

              I’m not gonna argue semantics here with you. If you didn’t vote against a Nazi, you are a Nazi.

              If you don’t speak out against Nazis, you’re a fucking Nazi.

              Fuck Nazis.

              See? That’s easy. How about you try?