Meanwhile they grumble about China’s successes and believe the cCp is doing some conspiratorial shit to look good in the Olympics.

I had lost my cool in this comment, but I edited now because I was inspired by your comment. Thank you. I should try to remain a compassionate and patient comrade.

I made a lib troll rage quit. 🤣

Even if we are arguing with bots or the fed, at least any lurkers reading this thread discussion will hopefully learn something and potentially be more sympathetic or support our side.

I do highly suspect it is bots, shills, or the fed as we are seeing a lot more trolling than normal on our instance today.

I made a lib rage quit 🤣

I don’t give one solitary shit who you vote for, I was trying to understand the strategy I’ve heard advocated for in these forums.

If you don’t give a shit, then why are you continuing to make a fuss about all of the answers people have given you in multiple different ways that explain our strategy? You obviously do give a shit, otherwise you wouldn’t continue arguing instead of learning from our side for once. We’re just going in circles. You say you read Marx, then I suggest you also read Lenin as well because I don’t think anyone here is going to change your mind except yourself.

Voting against the two party system gives statistics on the dissatisfaction of the population. It shows people that people are fed up and don’t want to continue participating in this fascist dictatorship. It’s also not about who voted for who and the results of the election. The point is to take advantage of the time when most people pay attention to politics and educate them while we still have their attention. Do you not want PSL to do this? Should we just sit back and wait for the conditions that spark potential revolution that we would fail at because we didn’t build the ship?

I met a bunch of people during petitioning and was able to help build awareness of our party as most people didn’t know about us at all. We were out in the streets protesting and marching for Palestine. We made a commitment to being persistent in supporting our communities during multiple struggles. We built class consciousness by supporting the Black communities when people were murdered by the cops. We give a voice to Palestinian Americans that the DNC treats as subhuman.

I personally witnessed events started by my pre-branch having an attendance of a few people to many hundreds this year alone. We stopped various bills from passing in our state, which surprised us, and we put our state on the map. Project 2025 doesn’t disappear by voting for Kopmala, it is stopped by us working together against the system and eventually overthrowing our bourgeois oppressors.

How the hell are we supposed to build a movement if we keep telling people to vote for the lesser of two evils? Do we not participate in elections? What are we gaining by so-called “buying time”? We’re fucked by either party. They both operate for capitalists. It literally makes no difference. There’s no time bought. The same policies are going to occur regardless of who’s in office.

If PSL, FRSO, etc. were to tell everyone to vote Kamala, don’t you think that will kill so much support for our movement? Then who is supposed to take the reigns of the new party? Wouldn’t that force us to start all over again? And why would we want such a massive blunder to kill the momentum that our party has built for the past 20 years? Why give up on our values and submit to the bourgeoisie? Being a communist means not being tailist.

Should this forum of comrades just say we need to vote for the other Hitler? Doesn’t that go against our values? What do you want from us?

What waste of energy? The 1 fucking minute it takes to fill out my ballot that they mail me? That’s the thing you are upset about?

You’re also complaining on social media about people not wanting to vote for Kamala Hitleress. You’re advocating for people to “vote the lesser of two evils”, which is not really going to save us and conflicts with educating people about the illegitimacy of our obviously-not-democracy. Telling people to vote for the “lesser of two evils” while claiming to bring class consciousness by educating people on Marx is essentially expecting reformism to work, which it never has, and never will, especially in the belly of the beast, aka Amerikkka. This is why ML parties like the PSL are against telling their comrades to give up and vote for the DNC. It’s antithetical for communists to do this and achieves nothing.

Voting for a third party candidate, and better yet, working with a ML party like PSL helps spread class consciousness, even by a little. Worrying about elections when one of two oppressor parties are going to win anyway is a waste of energy and could have been better spent building a movement for the long-term. If we don’t build the ship by the time the material conditions in the future give opportunities for revolution, we will not succeed as the proletariat. Yes, it’s extremely difficult to organize people in the most propagandized country of the world. That’s why we need all of the help we can get. I believe delaying the collapse is the worse choice anyway as I don’t believe people are going to be radicalized until their material conditions worsen greatly and quickly. People are too comfortable with the current fascist rule, and Project 2025 is already mostly implemented here despite the fear-mongering.

That makes sense, my bad.

the working class has no nation

Ahem…we have a few AES nations. Just because you live in occupied Turtle Island, the occupied Global South, or some other fascist Western nation doesn’t mean the revolutionary proletariat has no socialist nation to support.

Then why is the US deindustrializing and crumbling despite having the power to print the global reserve currency, export inflation across the world, and maintain a trade deficit with the rest of the world? Lol, libs are so brain rotten.

USA: Sanctions and blockades Cuba

Cuba: Heavily injured but manages to improve

USA: Shoots a bazooka to its own foot (and the working class)

Cuba: 90% homeownership rate (2014) and 99.67% literacy rate (2021)

USA: 65.9% homeownership rate (2022) and 79% literacy rate (2022)

USA: See, muh socialism don’t work, 600 billion dead in gommunism, no ifone, no toothbrush

Also in burgerland, you have to go to the fast food chain and manually order a burger because the webapp’s cart has been borked for years.

https://invidious.incogniweb.net/watch?v=5519w2TyAZM

Marxists have no qualms over your personal proper tea.

Israelis belong in the

And that’s me being the nicest I have ever been in my life.

If a Zionazi threatens or harms anymore lives…

I was a bit lazy on the “communism and socialism teaming up” as an analogy. I just meant if socialism and communism were personified as two people in this meme, they would be working mutually in separate timelines. To improve on the analogy, I could say socialism has a gun to capitalism’s head while giving a handshake to communism sitting behind.

Not even concessions anymore. Just anti-China (anti-Russia, etc.) rhetoric in an attempt to rile the masses towards supporting unprecedented, deadly imperialist wars while the West spirals down toward fascism as it tries to bring the rest of the world down with it.

I predict there wouldn’t need to be a violent revolution between socialism and communism as at that point, we would be acting like civil adults for once. By the time socialism comes to an end, humanity would be conditioned to be not reactionary anymore (or at most minimally). Socialism and communism would be teaming up against capitalism, imo.

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Yup, we want a dictatorship of the proletariat.

We are currently under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, and tankies want to flip the table around to have the workers rule for the benefit of humanity instead of the elite depriving the entire population and planet for profit.