Isn’t socialism and communism essentially the same thing based on the origin? They just started using them to mean slightly different things because communism became the big scary word?
If I’m not mistaken I think that was Lenin’s view, I think Marx used them interchangeably. There may have functionally been earlier distinctions, but I’m honestly not that well read in that area.
I need to reread State and Revolution, cause I want to say Lenin distinguishes between the two there as OP replied, where one is transition state and the other is after the state has “withered away” but now I can’t recall exactly if he used that specific terminology. Either way, the phrasing I tend to see used is that there is a socialist worker state with a vanguard party who suppresses the capitalist class and has a dictatorship of the working class, or proletariat. And then there is communism, which is the end goal to transition to. But the party itself is communist.
So something like:
People doing socialist worker state: communists heading up a communist vanguard party that focuses on the needs of the masses and on educating them in communist principles and methods of analysis (such as dialectical materialism), and guards against the reaction
The state power model: dictatorship of the proletariat in order to suppress the capitalist class and empower the proletariat
Goals: to create and maintain a socialist state along the lines of “to each according to their contribution” and transition to a communist “to each according to their needs” as the need for the state “withers away,” and maintain the revolution which is an ongoing process of transition and guarding against the reaction, not something that ends as soon as you have state power.
If anyone thinks I’m oversimplifying, am open to correction. (Is worth noting that the details of this will vary some in practice because of the conditions unique to the socialist project and what they have developed and so on.)
Isn’t socialism and communism essentially the same thing based on the origin? They just started using them to mean slightly different things because communism became the big scary word?
Nah, socialism is a transitory system between capitalism and communism
If I’m not mistaken I think that was Lenin’s view, I think Marx used them interchangeably. There may have functionally been earlier distinctions, but I’m honestly not that well read in that area.
I need to reread State and Revolution, cause I want to say Lenin distinguishes between the two there as OP replied, where one is transition state and the other is after the state has “withered away” but now I can’t recall exactly if he used that specific terminology. Either way, the phrasing I tend to see used is that there is a socialist worker state with a vanguard party who suppresses the capitalist class and has a dictatorship of the working class, or proletariat. And then there is communism, which is the end goal to transition to. But the party itself is communist.
So something like:
If anyone thinks I’m oversimplifying, am open to correction. (Is worth noting that the details of this will vary some in practice because of the conditions unique to the socialist project and what they have developed and so on.)