Former top officials from Donald Trump’s administration are warning he is likely to use a second term to overhaul the nation’s spy agencies in a way that could lead to an unprecedented level of politicization of intelligence.

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    The way I am going to go into this election is to vote 3rd party. If trump wins, he will either have a very underwhelming term and lose his fanbase or completely destroy the government and break the status quo. Assuming he goes the extreme route, the US will either rise up and competely reform the government or we had no hope of that ever happening in the first place. I’m tired of voting for the lesser evil.

    Edit: Disliking this comment is cool and all, but I’d like to actually hear why people disagree. I am willing to change my mind if an adequate reason is provided. For anyone saying there will be domestic pain if Trump is elected, I am living in the US as well. This will also open the eyes of people who think politics are separate from their lives.

    Edit2: Thanks for responding, I really appreciate the given perspectives. I am not a politics major, so I know there is always more I can learn.

    Edit3: Thank you to those who provided legitimate reasoning and sources. It looks like the only viable option is to avoid a repeat of history, where the minority Nazi party ended up running Germany, by voting for Genocide Joe. God I hate this bs political system.

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      The way I am going to go into this election is to vote 3rd party

      That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.

      If trump wins, he will either have a very underwhelming term and lose his fanbase or completely destroy the government and break the status quo

      Nothing here has any bearing in reality or past precedence. It won’t matter if Trump “wins” by one vote or twenty votes, his behavior will be exactly the same (and the people pulling his strings will enact their plans regardless.). He certainly acted like he had a “mandate” during his first term despite losing the popular vote, and he’s not a complex force to understand- he will absolutely be worse the second time.

      Assuming he goes the extreme route, the US will either rise up and competely reform the government or we had no hope of that ever happening in the first place.

      GTFO here with that accelerationist bullshit. You don’t like Biden? Fine- you’re free to. Hold your nose and vote for him anyway, because things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of people if you don’t. The US system isn’t set up to allow people to vote ideologically, so we have to vote strategically. The sooner American voters grow up and accept that fact, the sooner we can start working to actually fix the system.

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        That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.

        no, it’s not. only voting for trump is voting for trump.

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          That is demonstrably wrong under a “first past the post” system. You either vote for the candidate from the major party that is closest-aligned to your values, or your vote helps the candidate from the major party that is furthest aligned from you to win. It doesn’t matter how much you hate it or want it to be wrong, it’s a mathematical certainty. Like I already said, Americans don’t get to vote ideologically precisely because the system doesn’t allow it. If you think Donald Trump is the absolute worst candidate on the field, then any vote other than for (the presumed Democratic candidate) Biden is just helping Trump win.

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            You either vote for the candidate from the major party that is closest-aligned to your values, or your vote helps the candidate from the major party that is furthest aligned from you to win.

            this is election misinformation. a vote for Jill Stein cannot be counted as a vote for trump or Biden.

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              On paper it’s a vote for Jill, but in effect it’s a vote for the party you dislike more. Are you more of a practical person or more of a person concerned with technicalities?

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                Are you more of a practical person or more of a person concerned with technicalities?

                there is no reason one excludes the other. and, in practice, if they count my vote for Biden or Trump, they are cheating.

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                  if they count my vote for Biden or Trump, they are cheating.

                  And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the definition of a strawman fallacy. You’re arguing against a point nobody made.

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                    I’m not arguing against a point. I’m explaining how elections work.