• dynamojoe@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    This is a land grab. The first Israeli settlement in Gaza will prove it. My guess is that will happen sometime late this year, perhaps close to the US elections.

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      9 months ago

      Always has been, ever since the UN partitioned Palestine without input from the Palestinians:

      Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.

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          9 months ago

          Especially when they “let” Israel block any building material from entering Gaza so they couldn’t even build their infrastrucure back up or, you know, have jobs. Or infrastructure.

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            9 months ago

            Hey check this out!

            Looks like Israel is an apartheid state after all…

            The accusation that Israel is committing apartheid has been supported by United Nations investigators,[11] the African National Congress (ANC),[12] several human rights groups,[13][14] and many prominent Israeli political and cultural figures.[15][16] Those who support the accusations hold that certain laws explicitly or implicitly discriminate on the basis of creed or race, in effect privileging Jewish citizens and disadvantaging non-Jewish, and particularly Arab, citizens.[17] These include the Law of Return, the 2003 Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, and many laws regarding security, land and planning, citizenship, political representation in the Knesset (legislature), education and culture. The Nation-State Law, enacted in 2018, was widely condemned in both Israel and internationally as discriminatory,[18] and has also been called an “apartheid law” by members of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), opposition MPs, and other Arab and Jewish Israelis.[19][20] Israel and a number of Western governments and scholars, on the other hand, have rejected the charges or objected to the use of the word apartheid.[21][22] Some argue that the situation is not comparable to apartheid in South Africa, that Israel’s policies are primarily driven by security considerations,[23][24] and that the accusation is factually and morally inaccurate and intended to delegitimize Israel.[25][26][27]

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid

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            9 months ago

            But the evidence says otherwise… it is regarded as an apartheid state by political scientists. Why do you refuse to admit the truth? Did you even read the link or did you lie when you said you change your mind based on evidence?

            • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              This is what you sound like right now:

              But the evidence says the earth is flat… It is regarded as flat by people who say it’s flat. Why do you refuse to admit the truth if its flatness? Did you even blah blah blah…

              You understand South African Apartheid was a system of minority rule?

              When it’s like Israel, a system of majority rule, we call it democracy.

              Do you not understand that, or appreciate what that means? When the minority enacts positive law upon an unconsenting majority it is a violation of human rights. When the majority enacts positive law with popular consent–and not by the whim of some caliphate or immamate or monarch–its the peak of human achievement.

              That double standard you’re applying is why so many people consider it anti semitic to call Israel is an apartheid state.

              I think that if you click through and read the primary sources from Wikipedia, or if you do even a modicum of a review of the scholarly work on this, you will find that usually people making this argument are saying that Israel has some discriminatory laws which are like Apartheid. Obviously, some people (you) go further and say Israel is literally an apartheid state. And some people also say the earth is flat.

              E: Bold part is exactly what happens below…

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                9 months ago

                Oh yeah, what about this then?

                Howard Friel writes that Tutu “views the conditions in the occupied Palestinian territories as resembling apartheid in South Africa.” BBC News reported in 2012 that Tutu “accused Israel of practicing apartheid in its policies towards Palestinians.”[325]

                Or this? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/26/south-africa-calls-for-israels-proscription-as-apartheid-state

                I think what I will do is quote bits of it for you every day until you realize.

                I think the most pathetic part is that those are opinions of experts on this and they seem to overwhemlingly believe Israel is an apartheid state. But you keep comparig it to a group of idiot flat earthers. Making that connection in your head is probably to protect from shame/guilt.

                Whenever it’s Israel, your brain seems to shut off.

                By your logic, is south Africa being anti semitic?

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                  Yes they are. It’s rote hypocrisy.

                  I think you don’t recognize what sort of things are facts and what sort of things are opinions.

                  How far did you go in school?

                  Read the dude’s quote that you quoted.

                  It “resembles apartheid.”

                  It’s not apartheid though.

                  Howard Friel writes that Tutu “views the conditions in the occupied Palestinian territories as resembling apartheid in South Africa.”

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    9 months ago

    Don’t forget reintroducing settlers to the strip, gotta remember they intend to wipe the Palestinians out completely by settler stating them into oblivion.

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    9 months ago

    People always freak out about Netanyahu not going for a 2 state solution, ignoring that Hamas doesn’t want a 2 state solution either.

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    9 months ago

    Zionists are no different than white nationalists.

    Ethno-fascists don’t have a place in the modern world and zionists have been given a pass for way too long. They’re not victims, they are perpetrators.

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      9 months ago

      Remember the Orwell quote: all animals were equal but some were more equal than others.

      All socialists were equal but some (mod: national) more than others.

      All semites are equal but some (mod: jews) more than others.

      Israel needs to be rolled up into a US style constitutional federation that protects Palestineans and Israelis from each other. 2 state solution only perpetuates apartheid. For any lasting solution to work it will take a 3 state solution in which one of those states interfaces with both sub-states.