• fastandcurious@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      They are protecting their civilians or the ones they can benefit from, and killing others who are not, they are not doing this in good faith

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      10 months ago

      Cargo ships can take a longer route, they don’t need to be there. The US values cargo over human lives.

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        10 months ago

        The longer route costs an additional million dollars in diesel alone. Even if you don’t care about the enormous economic impact, the environmental impact alone is huge.

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          10 months ago

          Oh okay, so we’re killing people over causing environmental damage? Let’s murder the CEO of Nestle, BP etc. They deserve it way more!

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            10 months ago

            You know that isn’t what I am saying.

            As far as I’m aware, there have been no reports whatsoever of non-military targets being hit in the strikes. Targeting the infrastructure being used by a non-state group to disrupt the most critical trade route on earth is absolutely proportionate.

            The CEOs of those companies should be prosecuted instead, however there is not appropriate legislation for environmental damage in the UK and US.

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              10 months ago

              Just like how Israel “only targeted valid military targets,” right? Yeah…

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                10 months ago

                Well yeah, except with the key difference of it being true

                If there were credible reports of civilian targets being hit then it would be very different

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                  10 months ago

                  Military targets like Sanaa’s international airport? To deter Ansarallah launching… Missiles and boats?

                  Either US CENTCOM is dumber than I thought, or it’s just a cover to continue the Saudi genocide of Yemen.

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              10 months ago

              You know that isn’t what I am saying.

              It is what you’re implying. Even in this very comment: you just assume that violence is appropriate for protecting a trade route, but we have to be very nice to CEOs of companies that destroy the environment and use slave labor. Please examine your own biases and see the consequences.

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                Nonono, you’ve decided on my behalf, based on pulling shit out of your ass, that I’m cool with companies doing environmental damage and slave labour.

                If Amazon set up shop in Yemen and started blindly destroying and siezing ships in the red sea, they’d be getting bombed too.

                Additionally, you’ve presented a false dichotomy - protecting trade in the red sea is not mutually exclusive with prosecuting corporations for climate crime.

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                  10 months ago

                  Amazon isn’t at war with Israel. Ansarallah IS, and they’re perfectly within their rights to enforce a blockade.

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                    10 months ago

                    The houthis aren’t formally or de facto at war with Israel either, though you’re right that they are involved.

                    But affected 3rd party countries are equally within their rights to protect critical trade infrastructure in international waters as well.

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                  10 months ago

                  I’m not saying you’re okay with it. I’m just pointing out that one offense justifies bombs and the other simply suing the boss (while admitting it doesn’t do anything). I’m simply proposing we bomb Nestle before Yemen. In Minecraft of course.

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                    10 months ago

                    If the houthis were acting from US territory, the approach would be very different, but the US government can’t exactly go arrest them.

                    In Minecraft of course

                    I’m down, what server does nestle use? Time for some griefing