The scary thing is that it actually wasn’t a lot of resources. Most genocides in history have happened in places that aren’t industrialized. In those cases, yeah it did take a significant amount of resources and involves a lot of people.
For an an industrialized country, genocide on the scale the Nazis did is actually a tiny percentage of the resources available. Think about how many people you can put in just one train. Even if that train runs just a few times a day, well… there’s some extremely dark mathematics about it.
The politics of hate is so incredibly dangerous in an industrialized country. Industrialized genocide can kill millions without impacting other priorities.
I googled it after reading your comment cause I realized I didn’t actually know what it meant.
There were a few definitions but I’m guessing this is the one the person you’re replying to meant:
“deliberately attempt to conceal unpleasant or incriminating facts about (someone or something).”
Idk why they thought someone calling out Nazis for spending resources on the Holocaust up until the very end meant that people are whitewashing Nazis though.
I think the comparison is, in the eyes of Blamemeta, between a thing that is very severe and a thing that is somewhat less severe. If that’s the case, equating the two must either exaggerate the severity of the latter or minimize the severity of the former.
So I think Blamemeta is trying to say that it cheapens the severity of the holocaust, not realizing that the word “whitewash” implies that it’s deliberate, i.e. that Acharnien also agrees that Russia’s law isn’t a big deal and want to use it to downplay the holocaust. But I think it’s more likely they just meant to say “cheapens” instead of “whitewash” lol
Making something seem not-as-bad. Nazis literally genocided 11 million people. Russia is being awful about medical care. Theres an ocean of difference.
– Hey those kids are good at playing soccer very defensively. It kind of reminds me of when Greece got the 2004 Euro Cup under the management of Otto Rehhagel.
– How dare you compare the two things. One was a major international professional soccer competition, that shaped a country’s sports for a generation, the other one is just some shitty kids kicking a deflated ball in a school yard.
– Well, yea, sure but they do both win by playing quite defensively. Noticing that takes nothing away from Greece’s epic historic win, what kind of idiot would think that?
More like equating the holocaust to bad medical care is trying to make the holocaust look better. Im exergeratting of course, but im hate when people call everything nazi.
It’s not. It’s a completely historical comparison. Delusional is pretending like the very clear repeat of history isn’t happening because the idea of modern Nazis makes you uncomfortable.
"Adolf Hitler was named chancellor on January 30, 1933, and enacted policies to rid Germany of Lebensunwertes Leben, or “lives unworthy of living.” What began as a sterilization program ultimately led to the extermination of millions of Jews, Roma, Soviet and Polish citizens—and homosexuals and transgender people.
When the Nazis came for the [Institute for Sexual Research] on May 6, 1933, Hirschfeld was out of the country. Giese fled with what little he could. Troops swarmed the building, carrying off a bronze bust of Hirschfeld and all his precious books, which they piled in the street. Soon a towerlike bonfire engulfed more than 20,000 books, some of them rare copies that had helped provide a historiography for nonconforming people.
The carnage flickered over German newsreels. It was among the first and largest of the Nazi book burnings. Nazi youth, students and soldiers participated in the destruction, while voiceovers of the footage declared that the German state had committed “the intellectual garbage of the past” to the flames. The collection was irreplaceable."
They literally said that letting trans people transition and get gender reassignment surgery will “destroy our nation”. Its literally fascist rhetoric. They’re banning changing your gender on documents, something only 3000 people have done since 2016. The country has 143 million people.
This is genocidal rhetoric. This is a transparent attempt to promote conspiracies against trans people intending for average people to think “trans people are going to destroy my society” and “trans people are a threat to families and children”. It’s literal fascist genocidal rhetoric.
Yeah I think we’re gonna have to pause the godwin thing for a while. Too many people in power running plays right out of the Nazi playbook nowadays. A stigma against comparisons to Nazis isn’t preventing discussions from degenerating to name calling (the original intent of the rule) it’s just preventing conversation from happening.
This reminds me how during the later stages of WW2, while the Nazis were losing the war, they kept spending resources on the Holocaust.
The scary thing is that it actually wasn’t a lot of resources. Most genocides in history have happened in places that aren’t industrialized. In those cases, yeah it did take a significant amount of resources and involves a lot of people.
For an an industrialized country, genocide on the scale the Nazis did is actually a tiny percentage of the resources available. Think about how many people you can put in just one train. Even if that train runs just a few times a day, well… there’s some extremely dark mathematics about it.
The politics of hate is so incredibly dangerous in an industrialized country. Industrialized genocide can kill millions without impacting other priorities.
Scary to think about.
Why are the so many people on this site white washing Nazis? It seems so concetrated here.
I’m very curious about what it is that you think the word “whitewash” means.
I googled it after reading your comment cause I realized I didn’t actually know what it meant.
There were a few definitions but I’m guessing this is the one the person you’re replying to meant:
“deliberately attempt to conceal unpleasant or incriminating facts about (someone or something).”
Idk why they thought someone calling out Nazis for spending resources on the Holocaust up until the very end meant that people are whitewashing Nazis though.
I think the comparison is, in the eyes of Blamemeta, between a thing that is very severe and a thing that is somewhat less severe. If that’s the case, equating the two must either exaggerate the severity of the latter or minimize the severity of the former. So I think Blamemeta is trying to say that it cheapens the severity of the holocaust, not realizing that the word “whitewash” implies that it’s deliberate, i.e. that Acharnien also agrees that Russia’s law isn’t a big deal and want to use it to downplay the holocaust. But I think it’s more likely they just meant to say “cheapens” instead of “whitewash” lol
I am not equating though, I just wrote “this reminds me”. They’re being dramatic.
Making something seem not-as-bad. Nazis literally genocided 11 million people. Russia is being awful about medical care. Theres an ocean of difference.
– Hey those kids are good at playing soccer very defensively. It kind of reminds me of when Greece got the 2004 Euro Cup under the management of Otto Rehhagel.
– How dare you compare the two things. One was a major international professional soccer competition, that shaped a country’s sports for a generation, the other one is just some shitty kids kicking a deflated ball in a school yard.
– Well, yea, sure but they do both win by playing quite defensively. Noticing that takes nothing away from Greece’s epic historic win, what kind of idiot would think that?
Sorry, what? Are you saying that this comment about the holocaust makes the Nazis look… better?
More like equating the holocaust to bad medical care is trying to make the holocaust look better. Im exergeratting of course, but im hate when people call everything nazi.
I didn’t “equate” anything. I said that one thing reminds me of another.
You’re whitewashing Putin’s regime right now.
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It’s not. It’s a completely historical comparison. Delusional is pretending like the very clear repeat of history isn’t happening because the idea of modern Nazis makes you uncomfortable.
"Adolf Hitler was named chancellor on January 30, 1933, and enacted policies to rid Germany of Lebensunwertes Leben, or “lives unworthy of living.” What began as a sterilization program ultimately led to the extermination of millions of Jews, Roma, Soviet and Polish citizens—and homosexuals and transgender people.
When the Nazis came for the [Institute for Sexual Research] on May 6, 1933, Hirschfeld was out of the country. Giese fled with what little he could. Troops swarmed the building, carrying off a bronze bust of Hirschfeld and all his precious books, which they piled in the street. Soon a towerlike bonfire engulfed more than 20,000 books, some of them rare copies that had helped provide a historiography for nonconforming people.
The carnage flickered over German newsreels. It was among the first and largest of the Nazi book burnings. Nazi youth, students and soldiers participated in the destruction, while voiceovers of the footage declared that the German state had committed “the intellectual garbage of the past” to the flames. The collection was irreplaceable."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/
They literally said that letting trans people transition and get gender reassignment surgery will “destroy our nation”. Its literally fascist rhetoric. They’re banning changing your gender on documents, something only 3000 people have done since 2016. The country has 143 million people.
This is genocidal rhetoric. This is a transparent attempt to promote conspiracies against trans people intending for average people to think “trans people are going to destroy my society” and “trans people are a threat to families and children”. It’s literal fascist genocidal rhetoric.
And tankies feel comfortable with that way of thinking. BuT nO, uKrOnAzIs.
It’s not a godwin if they are literally nazis performing a literal genocide whilst literally losing a war of agression in Europe.
Yeah I think we’re gonna have to pause the godwin thing for a while. Too many people in power running plays right out of the Nazi playbook nowadays. A stigma against comparisons to Nazis isn’t preventing discussions from degenerating to name calling (the original intent of the rule) it’s just preventing conversation from happening.