• statist43@feddit.de
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    I like to believe in nature and energy. I don’t know, but this is is what we can “see” and detect. Its universal, the rules are real. And it is the cause of everything.

    I feel like this image of “worshipping the sun” is kind of the most realistic in terms of cause and effect. Its the reason we live and can do stuff. Its the reason for any kind of life to be there and enjoy this expirience.

    I mean, with the availible technology we are able to look into the outer space right till the nearest galaxy before the cosmic radiation and the big bang. We can detect the behaviour of the inside of colliding protons. We can adress almost every reaktion which happens to substantial energies, like gravitation, electro magnetic energy, strong and weak core forces (I believe its called, as Im not a english native).

    And we still didn’t find a “godlike” force, which is able to control what happens. Or that changes its behavior if you say nice words. Even if there is sth. but we can not detect its force in protons or in galaxies, or any kind of (right now) detectable frequencys. Why should I care for it? It clearly has no control over anything in this universe, so all the energy I put into the “believing” is kind of useless.

    Of course if you belive in sth. You will put in the energy and kind of “manifest” it if you do it. But this is not because you convince a supernatural beeing to be kind with you. Its because we are a super complex “energy transformer” which are concious of its abilities to adjust our surroundings to our abilities.

    And if sth happens by incident, there is always a plausible action which happened before.

    It will probably mean, that there is nothing after this “expirience” and this is kind of creepy. But to be here and expirience it, this whole series of unprobabilities which bring me to generate pixels for you to read. From the first enzymes till now. All of this had to happen, for this exact moment.

    Im happy that I can enjoy this life, and grateful for my intact body and the reason for me to have this is uncountable different probabilities.

    But where it comes from, or where it will go. I dont know.

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      So your way is more accepting the unknown, than filling it with some sort of believe, if I understand it correctly? I’d say that’s a take on spirituality as well.

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        I do not really accept the unknown. Im lretty interested in how the universe works and what its made of. Why everything is happening and how it came all to start.

        This brought me into studying chemistry.

        I just dont thing there is a beeing, which made alll of this up. Just for us.

        I mean there is trillions times trillions galaxies, and this number is still small in comparison to the real amount. All of this just for some kind of weird test of some weird carbon based structures, so after they die they can have all of what they want?

        Something has to be behind all of this, but this human centric view of our universe definetly doesnt get it right. in my opinion.

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      That’s always been an odd argument to me, even when I was an atheist. No god worth their substance would need to interact with the universe in any way that didn’t just look like the laws of physics, since they’re the ones who initiated the laws of physics.

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        But even if they interact in the laws of physics. Then why is there no sudden change. No incoherence, or sth truly random like sth coming out of nothing.

        I mean, we are not able to observe every detail in the universe, maybe there is some random stuff happening in another galaxy cluster and we are just in the wrong place.

        But the chance for this is almost nonexistent.

        But so is the chance for this moment to, and its happening.

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          If this God exists outside time, it would make sense since we may be unable to perceive these perturbations in time - it will just always have been that way.

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            That could be true. I mean the timeframe of our existence is small. Even the mammal timeframe is small, so maybe it intercepted even 1500 years ago and whispered some prophet into his hear or sth.

            But there are possibilities to tell if something hasnt changed, like in differences of wavelength or if bigger things in our universe just disappear. Extremly said of course. And too we are in a really early stage of all of this knowledge, so if there is definitly proof of some being, Id think otherwise maybe.

            But as we know more and more, we just see evidence of physics.

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          I mean, one perspective is that they got everything right to begin with so there’s no need for intervention.

          Another is that quantum weirdness, or chaotic event behavior, exactly is evidence of direct intervention.

          Another yet is that, as more limited beings that exist within the laws of physics, we lack the perceptive equipment to bear witness to the “sudden” changes in the fabric of the divine meta-reality, which materialize in the physical world in mundane ways.

          In any case, why should we expect a higher power to affect the world in incoherent or random ways?