Government attributes decision to war crimes and human rights abuses being committed in Gaza

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    1 year ago

    Basically every country, for the most part, wants to keep regular relations going with every other country. Doesn’t mean they agree with each other or really even engage in trade. They want to remain friendly and have open communications channels. Severing ties in this way means that there is no possible normal interactions between them again.

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      Good. Only ~215 countries to go. No one should have normal interactions with Israel or anyone who supports Israel.

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      What makes a ‘country’ is and itself very complicated. I do not believe Israel would want diplomatic relations with countries which sanction it.

      ISIS was a ‘state’ at its peak and held control over territories but no one else had any formal diplomatic ties with them because everyone rightfully recognized them as an unlawful terrorist state. Is Israel really that different? Israel has shown blatant disregard for any peace plans whether its 1967 or Oslo. There are good reasons to not recognize Israel even though it holds territory.

      Also, just because two countries have no formal diplomatic relations doesn’t mean they can’t have interactions. Look at USSR and Israel in this example

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Ordzhonikidze_bus_hijacking

      They were extradited to the Soviet Union and sentenced to prison terms, although at that time Israel and the Soviet Union had no extradition treaty as relations were still severed at the time. All hostages were released.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        “Then–Defense Minister of Israel Yitzhak Rabin criticized Soviet authorities for providing the hijackers with an aircraft and flying them to Israel in exchange for the release of the hostages.”

        Christ how evil can Israel get? “how dare you save an airplane full of children”

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        I think the thing to recall in your example is that any treaties signed would formalize this process. In this case, they went through and made a request as a one-time thing that may never be repeated.

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      I agree. Having no diplomatic communications at all is a bad idea especially during times of crisis. Regardless of your feelings of the behaviour of a state, the phone line should always exist for governments to speak to each other. Whether we’re talking about Israel or Iran or Russia or North Korea or whatever. When your own citizens need help, or a crisis is ongoing, or a natural disaster occurs, or whatever, you want someone on the other end to pick up the phone.

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        Unless that truth is that both North and South Korea are currently being utilized as a buffer state between two imperialist governments…

        My family fled the dictatorship in South Korea in the 80’s, back when being a member of a student Union was a poor choice for your health. So I’m never going to try and rehab or revise the modern history of South Korea.

        That being said, why would anyone ever give uncritical support to a totalitarian dictatorship? Il-sung wasn’t chosen by the Korean people, he was a puppet replacement offered by China because Godang sided with the will of the Koreans, and opposed the trusteeship proposed by soviets and America.

        That cluster fuck of a family has killed more of my people through both incompetence and malice than both the Chinese and Americans combined. I hate that people are willing to excuse crimes against humanity because the color of a nations flag.

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      How can it be that Muslim/Arab countries talk so much about Israel, yet it was South Africa who went to ICJ.

      I believe even though the Arab/Muslim people care about Palestinian people, but Arab/Muslim politicians don’t. They don’t give a fuck, as Israel also don’t give a fuck.

      PS: Free Palestinians!

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    They never did properly renew them after 2009 though, since the reasons for moving to minimal levels never went away, current events kinda just exemplifying why Bolivia never felt the desire to renew them.

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    Is this mostly symbolic? I wasn’t aware these countries had anything to do with each other.

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      Particularly not after Cast Lead in 2009 when Bolivia broke off relations. Israel hasn’t really shown any reason for Bolivia to want to renew them since either.

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      Yes and no. We live in a global world and generally all countries are seen as “equal” when it comes to international relations. So when a country specifically severs ties with another, it creates friction, normally the rest of the world can provide proxy relations, i.e. Qatar with Iran, or Turkey or Britain/Canada with Cuba or whatever. But if multiple countries stop recognizing another countries sovereignty, that can cause a lot of complications with say citizens of that country traveling and having relations.

      So even if Bolivia doesn’t deal with Israel directly, if there is an Israeli business conducting commerce within Bolivia, suddenly it becomes a lot more complicated if there is any kind of financial dispute, or some kind of international incident involving a country that Bolivia doesn’t have relations with.

      Basically the Israeli company is exposed to a lot more risk then they would be otherwise.

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    Our west government, EU institutions are probably bugged and backdoor-ed to hell. I work in the field and the number of rightpasses, access that some isreali companies have, is intriguing, to say the least.

    anyway, time to treat them as normal person and get accounted for their action!

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    The title isn’t exact :

    Moreover, their relations were only re-instaured after the western-supported coup by J.Añez :

    (Here’s Colombia’s president 6 hours ago b.t.w., among other examples)

    (no need to point out that it would be safer for them not to take position for//against any side. The article also spoke of Argentina, here’s an interesting 2mn-long point of view)

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      I’m afraid that most States are addicted to the cyber mercenary services from Israeli corporations (eg NSO Group), and they would be unlikely to issue sanctions against them because they’re unwilling to loose tools like Pegasus.

      Glad to hear that Bolivia and Colombia are on the right side of history but I doubt Argentina or most countries in Europe would join.