cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22241305

Jessica Corbett
Nov 06, 2024

“While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change,” said the Vermont Independent. “And they’re right.”

  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    9 days ago

    Unfortunately, Bernie fought tooth and nail for this status quo over the last 4 years. I agree with the sentiment, the Dems have to go, but Bernie is acting as a sheepdog.

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      9 days ago

      Or he’s a pragmatist who is concerned with both harm reduction and the likely reality that the only takeaway that Democrats will ever have from losing an election to someone right wing is that Democrats need to go even further to the right to win.

      If leftists give the impression that nothing will ever be good enough for them then

      1. Democrats have no incentive to court the left
      2. Democrats have no estimate for how many votes they would even be able to pick up from the left relative to how far left they might try to reach

      I personally believe that if the Democrats had taken on a progressive populist anti-genocide platform they would have won the election handsomely, but I am left with no way to empirically prove that to anyone because so many leftists opt out of voting entirely.

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        9 days ago

        It’s not pragmatic to lose, for what it’s worth. We know that reform is impossible, and Bernie likely knows too. You’re correct that had the Democrats run on a progressive anti-genocide Social Democratic platform, they would have won, but that’s not what their donors want and need.

        Marxism is vindicated by the passage of time.

  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    9 days ago

    Sanders will say It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, and he’ll rail about “oligarchs” and “crony capitalism” and “über capitalism”, but in the end he’ll always be a liberal, so he’ll never attack capitalism as-such, and he’ll never call for abolishing private ownership of the means of production, no matter how many times he purports to be a socialist.

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      9 days ago

      Bruh… Can we fucking start with universal health or some other more basic shit?

      DNC cant even be bothered to campaign on bread and butter “liberal” positions.

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        9 days ago

        American universal healthcare would mean eliminating a huge pile of profits for healthcare-related companirs that are effectively just charging you rent for the privilege of going to a doctor. Those companies are large donors and fund think tanks that spread PR about how it is actually fiscally irresponsible to pay less for healthcare while changing where the balance sheet is calculated and what will happen to all of those jobs predicated on wasting your time and money to get healthcare?

        You will not get universal healthcare, let alone single payer healthcare, without having some kind of leverage and using it in a disciplined way. And unless you are a CEO, your leverage can only come from collective organizing, of power in numbers, of political education so that everyone in the org is practically aligned on these goals and will noy disintegrate or be coopted by liberals.

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          7 days ago

          Corpo’s are loaded with bootlickers to ensure that nor organizing can happen…

          There are but so many times any reasonable person can get fucked over before they opt out of that exercise.

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            7 days ago

            Yeah that is basically the modern strategy of having way too many managers. It works against workplace organizing.

            Though this is a double edged sword because they are setting uo thr conditions for a return to militant labor organizing.

  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 days ago

    Bernie “Complicit in Genocide” Sanders sold his support to the 2020 and 2024 campaigns for nothing. He has spent the entire time since gaslighting me about the people he sold his soul to while selling my contact information to them. His main concern for the past year has been supporting a genocide against children that he refuses to call a genocide when pretending to dislike it. I would not trust this freak to tell me the time without lying. Bernie’s only value is as the specific detailed example I can use to explain why anyone like him is the moderate wing of fascism.