• Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
      19·
      3 days ago

      Yeah the supreme Court decided the election the last time around when it was close, within my lifetime! I was saying many months ago that if the Democrats are serious about wanting to win they should really be packing that thing well before the election. 🤦‍♀️

    • cabbage@piefed.social
      241·
      3 days ago

      So much talk about the fear of the election being stolen, yet we’re weirdly eager to forget that it already happened less than 30 years ago.

      Trump stealing the election by, say, Florida not counting black votes, would not be an unprecedented event in modern American history.

    • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
      10·
      3 days ago

      That was in my life time and the first presidential election I was eligible to vote in yet it was stolen and left me feeling like my vote don’t count. That I didn’t vote again until the 2016 premiere. I voted for Sanders. Well going vote Harris please America I was only 20 when they stole election from Gore, don’t let them do it again. Because if Trump wins democracy and the right to vote will be dead.

  • AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world
    30·
    3 days ago

    This election is so 2016 flavored that it’s killing me inside. I don’t think I’m gonna watch the election night coverage even.

  • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.socialEnglish
    310·
    2 days ago

    edit: i’m confused, are people upset that they aren’t being given permission to blame the voters they’re abusing into voting against their conscious?

    what I am saying is very similar to what leaders of the “Uncommitted” initiative have themselves said, by publicly refusing to “endorse Harris” but declaring that their movement “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, and urging supporters “to vote against him and avoid third-party candidates that can inadvertently boost his changes.”

    What a strange world we live in that we’re acknowledging the legitimacy of voters’ concern over genocide, but pleading with them to privately support a candidate anyway

    I hope that, given this acknowledgment, we don’t still end up blaming those voters for a loss or interpreting a win as a popular mandate since we’re now at a point where public opposition cannot be assumed to be aligned with how one votes.

    If Harris loses, it will now be in spite of undecided voters being made to swallow their moral principles - and if she wins, it will be in spite of her support of Israel’s genocide.

  • Verdant Banana@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1831·
    3 days ago

    if there are “uncommitted” voters then we also have “uncommitted” politicians as well

    the unenthusiastic voters are looking for an enthusiastic candidate that wants change as much as they do

    • jeffw@lemmy.worldOP
      4012·
      3 days ago

      Sure, but that’s super naive. Holding out against a dem in this election reaffirms the recent defeats or progressives in their primaries. That means the entire US Overton window shifts back further right for a decade

      • Nougat@fedia.io
        247·
        3 days ago

        What if I’m unable or unwilling to see anything past the end of my own nose?

      • beuatukyang@lemmy.world
        1122·
        3 days ago

        Well, you keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting things to change. I won’t.

        • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
          255·
          3 days ago

          I keep breathing yet the world hasn’t changed. I guess I should stop breathing. That’s some fantastic logic.

          What exactly are you planning to do differently? Voting third party has an even worse track record at changing things. The same is true for sitting out the vote. Electing Democrats has been the only strategy that has achieved anything at all. So, what’s your brand new plan to save democracy?

        • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
          82·
          3 days ago

          It’s not that people expect the dems to suddenly change things, it’s that the republicans would make things much worse, and any action that stands a chance at actually changing things is more likely to work if you don’t have fascists in charge. It’s doing the same thing over and over in the same way that treading water to not drown is doing the same thing over and over; It doesn’t solve your predicament, but it’s also not something you can afford to stop