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Hamas is literally an internationally recognized terrorist organization, proscribed by many countries including the UK and the Arab League.
CBC also refuses to call Hamas terrorists despite their government labeling them as such.
I give you a report documenting how Israel performed “massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians” and you’re response is to say the article cites no examples of mistreatment of Arabs in Israel? I tell you how officials have described Palestine as the largest open air prison and you dismiss it as hyperbole?
I had a feeling you were some kind troll but was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. This comment of yours just confirmed my suspicions. I’m not going to bother talking with you any more as it’s clear you are completely determined to wash over the sins of a government and that you have absolutely zero morals or ethics. Anybody reading this thread will be able to see just how wrong you are and how pointless it is to talk to someone like you, or even respect you.
You linked to an article which I looked at. It in turn linked to a 128 page report which I did not read because it does not have a Gaza section - and Gazan conditions leading up to Oct 7 was what you were responding to. I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing just in case.
Gaza was not anything like an “open air prison” until 2007 when Egypt closed the Southern Border shortly after Hamas took over: that was not Israel’s fault. Water supply issues in Gaza are caused by Hamas who boasted in a 2021 propaganda video showing themselves digging up water pipes to turn them into missiles. From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza which could have been used to build civilian infrastructure but Hamas preferred to spend it militarily on its stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Jews “from the river to the sea”.
The article. Not the report.
In Israel is was what you were meant to be responding to. There are plenty of Palestinians with citizenship in Israel. I think the West Bank settlement expansion is unjust but that is not the topic here.
Nope I was trying to stick to the topic of BBC going against their own government’s designation of Hamas as terrorists. You would rather talk about wider issues, so…
Both sides are “losing the war”: Back in December there was a great prescient article criticising Israel and a companion article criticising Hamas.
Very few ProPals seem to do balance whereas plenty of people who try to understand Israel’s difficulty (in avoiding being wiped out by Hamas) do criticise Israel.
Netanyahu’s Likud party only won 11% of the vote and it took 5 attempts at a working coalition for them to resume power in the last election. There were two arrest warrants against him for corruption and over 100,000 citizens protested against the government changing the law to allow them to override their equivalent of a constitution.
It’s quite clear you purposefully do not read a lot of anything. The section you say is missing regarding Gaza is literally in the table of contents:
Since you seem to neglect to do a lot of reading, OPT = Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Like I said, a sad little troll with no moral qualms or ethical standpoint.
Gaza was not occupied prior to the terrorist attacks of October 7th.
Then why does Amnesty International label it as such?
It is odd, isn’t it?
You tell me. You’re the one contradicting them.
Israel forcefully removed all of their settlers from Gaza in 2005. They essentially ethnically cleansed themselves. There were no IDF soldiers on Gazan soil and the administration of the strip was entirely in the hands of Hamas from that point onward. Under no definition of the word occupation was the strip occupied after 2005.
In 2005, 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip and four Israeli settlements in the West Bank were unilaterally dismantled.[1] Israeli settlers and army evacuated from inside the Gaza Strip, redeploying its military along the border.[2] The disengagement was conducted unilaterally by Israel, in particular, Israel rejected any coordination or orderly hand-over to the Palestinian Authority.[3] Despite the disengagement, the Gaza Strip is still considered to be occupied under international law.
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