“Half of the Israeli public is no longer in favor of the war,” one friend told me Saturday night as we witnessed thousands of Israelis take to the streets to protest the Israeli government under the slogan, “Elections Now.” “Yes, but the other half is all-in, and REALLY in favor,” responded his wife. “And they are the more powerful group.”

She, of course, is right. For months, reports of torture and rape have emerged from Israel’s military base turned torture camp, Sde Teiman, where Israel has imprisoned thousands of Palestinians without charge. I wrote about it in a previous diary earlier this month. Palestinians who have emerged from this torture camp refer to it as the “slaughterhouse” with horrendous tales of torture, rape, abuse, and sleep deprivation being meted out by Israeli prison guards. Nearly 30 Palestinians have died while in Sde Teiman and other prisons, according to the information provided to date.

And while the precise chain of events is unclear, what we do know is that the Israeli military advocate general decided to dispatch the military police to question nine Israeli soldiers on suspicion of gang-raping and sodomizing a Palestinian man from Gaza at Sde Teiman. The man was rushed to the hospital where he exhibited signs of rape, including a ruptured bowel and broken ribs. It would be a mistake to simply think that Israel’s actions in prisons like Sde Teiman came only after October. Since becoming Israel’s national security minister in 2022, ultranationalist Itamar Ben Gvir has made prisons his target, with him authorizing abuse against Palestinians. He has also called for the death penalty to solve problems of overcrowding.

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        Is there ever a legitimate reason for a genocide?

        And is there any reason for this genocide other than Zionism?

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            Ah idk I don’t track or register individual usernames on here or go look at their other posts honestly so I wasn’t aware there was a long running beef

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              There’s a bunch of liberals on .world that get really upset when you point out Joe Biden is the reason israel can commit Genocide.

              So upset that you don’t even have to mention Biden anymore they will just instinctively defend israel now. They do their classic Genocide apologia schtick every time they get called out.

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                Is bullying language is better than “whiney, self- victimizing” language? C’mon bro.

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            We win and make change by making allies and building solidarity. Not self victimization and whiny name calling.

            Like everything, there’s a flip-side. That means acknowledging our own wrongs, and addressing them. I’m not overly-fond of 12 Step programs, but there are some decent ideas they’ve put forth. One of them is “Principles before personalities.”