Edit: Enough money as in buying a PC supporting windows 11
We overestimate what most people do with their computers.
Most people that buy one never touch the re-installation of the OS. I wouldn’t be surprised if I learned 99% of PC users haven’t even done it once.
People buy a PC and use whatever it comes with. They don’t uninstall bloat. They might use a different browser. And then they’ll stick with it until they’re done with it.
It requires knowledge to use different Operating Systems. Most people either don’t have the time or don’t care to learn it. I can’t say I blame them, I never cared to learn about my car. I don’t ever really want to! Yet, I use it every day.
Kind reminder that majority of users use “Google” as their browser. :)
I can blame them.
Fair.
You probably should learn the basics of your car, or develop a relationship with someone who is good at/knows cars and pick a few things up from them.
You rely on it working correctly to not die and the company that makes it would happily let you die if they calculated it was more profitable that way.
Like it’s a good thing to have basic knowledge of the stuff we rely on. You don’t need to be an expert but total ignorance is a very vulnerable position.
I’ll second this by saying that most people will just buy a new computer when their current one becomes “slow”. For me, a slow computer is easy to find a solution for. It’s almost always the install drive is a hard drive and too many background applications. For other people the only solution in their eyes is a brand new PC because even the operating system is part of the whole PC.
Funny icon on desktop goes brrr.
Is reloading PCs really still a thing anymore? I’d been told that it stopped being necessary (unless you fucked something up) somewhere around windows 7.
Great way to remove crap you have completely forgotten about.
My friend does it atleast yearly out of habbit. He says it runs better but I think it’s tge placebo effect and I am a data hoarder (no the bad kind) so don’t.
Not really a thing nowadays, but if you REALLY want to you can just reset it. Takes like 15 minutes
Yeah, uhm… So, you know, modern cars also come with pre-installed spyware, just like our friend wondows but somewhat worse 😅
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I wouldn’t accept something like that either, you can’t force people to just waste (in their view) countless of hours on something they don’t care about.
People can use whatever they like, and I’m guessing your dad only wants to use Apple more because of everyone telling him to stop using it.
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Are you okay or have you gone insane?
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You might have more success if you dial it back, average users don’t need that deep of an understanding. They just need a functional system that does what they expect it to.
I’ve converted several family members to Linux to ease my own role as their tech support. And it was as simple as preloading things they’d need, showing them what the new browser/email/whatever looked like, showing them the new “app store” (KDE Discover), and telling them to call me if it breaks. Some of them explored further and learned how the system works, others were just happy to click the buttons I showed them. None of them regret the change.
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People are still using facebook and reddit by the hundreds of millions or billions. Most people don’t give 2 shits about technology, just that it sort of works. Most people are Jen.
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Linux so expensive
Why would they need money? Linux based OSes are both free and much lighter than Windows
The meme, which wasn’t well-written, is suggesting that the cost savings of switching to Linux isn’t significant to most people. It’s saying
Most people
- don’t care enough
- have enough money
rather than
Most people don’t
- care enough
- have enough money
Here’s my experience using Linux for 3 yrs now. I was excited enough to try a new OS that I learned how to install a new operating system on a new laptop I bought. I never could get rid of a drivers alert on every start up, even though I knew there was nothing wrong there. Googling the problem, the top 5 results were 5 completely different solutions. Whatever it’s a small problem so I ignored it. Months later my sound started screwing up, like distortions. (Ok, so maybe there is something wrong with my drivers.) But could never figure it out and could resolve the sound problem momentarily with a restart. With the sound issue happening more frequently, I thought I should get a new laptop, this time built with Linux pre installed by a company that knows what they’re doing. I bought a $1200 laptop from System 76, with specs that I could easily pay $500 less for. I don’t understand why the volume buttons don’t work out of the box and the auto update of snap packages has been ridiculously frustrating cause all my firefox tabs close and seem to be lost. Again, googling the issue gets a dozen different solutions and I don’t know what route to take. I only need an internet browser & word processor, ffs. I feel too stupid for Linux. I don’t even have kids or much of a time sucking job and I feel like learning this OS is too time-consuming. I’m probably getting a Mac for my next laptop and wish I didn’t feel like I have to.
People don’t care or they don’t even know that other OSses exist
Lose*
If windows 12 actually does require a monthly subscription, more people will probably consider Linux…
Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.
The general public won’t start using Linux until the computer they buy from their local big box store has it installed by default. Which for a brief moment nearly happened with netbooks.
Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.
Wait, I’m lost here…what’s the problem there? Maybe they wanna use the browser version and not the app (i haven’t used facebook in ages, so I’ve no idea if the site now just funnels you into their desktop/mobile app as much as they can)
I’m just pointing out the general tech ignorance in the world. There are generally people who think they need to go through Google to go to any other web page on the internet.
Ahh, yeah, you’re right in that case then
if a shitty new windows version was gonna drive users to linux, it would have happened already…
at least twice.
I’d say Linux today is a lot more interesting. Plus most people still don’t really care about there OS, but some now care about privacy.
That said, I don’t know why you would complain over Win11. Privacy violations aside, it’s much better than 10 imo.
I can think of a few reasons why someone would complain about Windows 11 without touching privacy aspect at all: the number of clicks you now have to do to get even basic things done because they messed with the context menu, and speaking about changing things that were fine before: the (lack of) file explorer Ribbon and the start menu, the ChromeOS looking layout they went with not being to most people’s taste, the need for a microsoft account to even use the thing (tho you can edit the Registry to bypass this and several other grievances, even some i mentioned…why not just have those as settings/options, just saying?) etc, etc
Some of the above changes and then some + just how much of a pain it was to even upgrade to it were enough for me to move to Linux in the first place when i learned about it, so…yeah, I’d say it’s kinda bad when it made an (at the time, but you can argue I still am and I won’t despute it) tech idiot like me permanently move OS’s
What should I tell you, I immediately liked it more than Win 10.
People also use Android phones and Macs and have Accounts for that. If you seriously believe this is going to drive the masses away, I have bad news for you.
Everything you listed are just small factors among many. I’m quite positive the Steam Deck / Valve are doing more for Linux’s popularity than anything Microsoft did wrong combined.
EDIT: I can’t read, apparantly lol i read “I liked 10 more”. disregard this first bit. Oh no no, you misunderstand: I like Windows 10. Mostly because I have no strong opinion on Windows 7 and didn’t use anything prior to that (and because Windows 8 was…Windows 8) As an OS, it was pretty fine. My problem was microsoft itself (and well, the changes that 11 brought. The list of complaints was basically me going “you had a good thing with Win10, why the radical changes to something that worked well?”).
I’ve also no delusions that Microsoft making controversial changes is gonna do much for Linux growth unless its something massive, like, “we can’t come back from this” massive–but that’s very unlikely to happen. I’ve said this dozens of times before, I’ll say it again: The only way Linux adoption will grow is if someone can walk up to Best Buy (or Browse Newegg/Amazon/whathaveyou), and walk out with a laptop or desktop with Linux already installed and ready to go + maybe a small tutorial like Fedora gives when you first boot up, since Gnome will probably be the default it comes with.
The Steam Deck was a good first step, but if Linux wants adoption, they have to put out stuff that runs Linux out the box to well-known and used markets and brick and morter shops. Not in the back either, front and center where everyone can see it. Much like Chromebooks, people will get used to Linux and its quirks–but they have to be able to access it in the first place (and by that, I mean i could grab an HP laptop packing Ubuntu if i wanted to instead of one packing Windows 11, not being told “to use Linux, you have to first choose one of many distros that are out there, then go download an ISO file and burn it to a USB”)
Or have enough mon… My brother it’s free. Zero dollars.
I think the mangled English there is suggesting that some people don’t care enough, and other people have enough money (to buy Windows).
Not that it matters because who the fuck pays for Windows anyway? OEMs do, but not normal people. Everything since like Windows 7 has been a free upgrade, and normies get a new PC more often than that so get a copy with it.
Not all computers are eligible for a free upgrade, my work desktop (windows 10) got a pop up about ending support & that my computer isn’t eligible for an upgrade to windows 11.
Edited to add: this post is so old idk why I commented. Sorry lol
Most people will install Windows 11, complain about it, complain about the lack of Windows alternatives, then get offended and spam downvote anyone who mentions an alternative.
This pretty much sums up the pcmasterrace community and i ended up leaving because of it.
I’m trying to learn Linux, got Cinnamon to dip my toes into, and love it.
And being someone who is computer literate, finding a distro that was similar to windows to learn with was a pain. With all the infighting and superiority complexs on forums, the absolute number of variations of distros, combined with the avalanche of information you need to digest just to get a basic understanding…
Yeah, I get why people will stick to Windows and ignore free/better alternatives, all while complaining. It’s just not worth it to a vast majority of users.
Yeah…this is going to be a super unpopular opinion, but there needs to be a designated distro for new users who aren’t sure what to go with. If someone asks “What distro should I-” the rest doesn’t matter. We just agree on one distro and that’s it. Once they have a reason to look for another distro, they’ll have the knowledge to find it themselves.
You have to make the first step easy.
that ‘designated distro’ for newcomers used to be ubuntu. probably still is. as much as i’d want to say mint or some other variant of ubuntu or debian that i happen to like… ‘one man shows’ and distros with very small teams aren’t what a new user should be going with. there’s a reason why so many base off ubuntu. it’s big. it’s solid. and it just works.
Ubuntu was always the answer I gave, but it feels like they’ve fallen out of favor with the whole snap debacle.
As a technically literate person who is mostly new to Linux, Snaps along with Canonical’s corporate behavior was initially a dealbreaker for me.
Except now I’m on Zorin (a Ubuntu fork) and find I can install flatpak, apt, etc as well, so I’m not wholly opposed to it anymore.
Still think they’re assholes for taking initial steps in a paywall direction, though, not to mention doing the FOSS community that way.
What do you mean with “enough money”? Linux is free. It’ll only cost time to adjust the workflow
Why I don’t switch to Linux as my main. The video games and mod managers don’t work well on it.
If given the ability and choice too I would use Linux 10000% but not even proton can work on everything that is only for Windows.
I literally have no choice tbh as I “acquire” games I can’t afford and it’s often to hard to figure out how to install them on Linux.
I hate windows with a passion but capatilism and monopolies force me to use it.
