• smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
    1326·
    1 year ago

    You could definitely have raised a bug report in the time it took you to make this

        • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
          845·
          1 year ago

          I don’t know if Firefox is at fault. It could be Firedragon (the fork I’m using), it could be any of the desktop portals messing things up (looking at you, xdg-desktop-portal-gtk), it could be Arch Linux due to how packagers package each portal, it could be that I stepped on a landmine by switching from Sway to Hyprland - this is when the problem first occurred.

          Firedragon’s (and the Firefox flatpak’s) output doesn’t say anything, nothing stands out in their logs, same goes for both Sway and Hyprland - for all I know XDG portals don’t even have standalone logs, they just dump error messages to stdout in my experience (which, again, have not been dumped).

          I could send bug reports to everyone, and get told “this isn’t our problem, write a bug report to ${OTHER_SOFTWARE}”. But then, which logs do I provide? All of them? Sure, I can gather up logs and non-existent messages from several pieces of software, one of them being a glorified API.

          It would have taken me a good hour to find the relevant data, find the correct places to write reports to, word things in a quasi-professional manner, all for a small chance for any of the developers of something to answer something that is not a variation of “can’t help you bro, your logs are anorexic”.

          So, after reminiscing the days of writing Windows registry keys and seeing no results (by writing XDP hints all over the system AND rebooting), I took 10 minutes to vent and make a meme - NoScript was intefering with imgflip, otherwise I would have needed 3.

          I could not, in fact, definitely have raised a bug report in the time it took me to make this.

            • PlatinumSf@pawb.social
              1·
              1 year ago

              Perhaps an invalid opinion, but a bug report that falls outside of scope because of lack of detail or lack of reproduction is still a valid bug report for metrics and general user experience imo. Could lead to interoperability efforts, user experience recommendations, user education utilities, or a bug getting patched but the end result is always the same: a better experience for the end user.

          • jbk@discuss.tchncs.de
            91·
            1 year ago

            In that case you could maybe see if it works correctly for you in firefox installed via flatpak from flathub. Those are official builds and bug reports on them should go to Mozilla directly.

            It could be related to hyprland though. I think I read somewhere that one of those lightweight WMs (or whatever it really is idk sry lol) doesn’t ship a portals config file for x-d-p to exactly know which exact implementation to use. Maybe arch doesn’t have that issue though

            • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
              61·
              1 year ago

              I’ve read through all the possible bug reports and forum help requests, and used the flatpak Firefox at every point I tried a solution.

              In the end I managed to solve the problem, though I’m sure it’ll pop back out at some point.

          • nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            5·
            1 year ago

            I stepped on a landmine by switching from Sway to Hyprland

            That’s 100% what it is. Changing desktop environments has almost always led to issues in my experience. If you want to use a different DE, make a new user account or reinstall the distro.

        • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
          213·
          1 year ago

          As I said in another other comment to someone else, there is a quite noticeable difference in effort between typing sentences on imgflip and hunting bugs.

          • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de
            91·
            1 year ago

            Well, you’ve determined a major part of what’s causing it. There is not much more to add, just submit what you have.

            • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
              53·
              1 year ago

              The only thing I can correctly report is that the termfilechooser portal causes something to die somewhere at some point - it never even worked in the first place.

              It’s above my 0$/h paygrade at this point

      • cm0002@lemmy.world
        1349·
        1 year ago

        Careful, the FF community here hates it when you point out faults in their “perfect” browser

  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
    985·
    1 year ago

    Addendum: I reinstalled the GTK portal because I was desperate, now I can’t even use that UX abomination because who the

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    knows

    (As it turns out, the cause was a previous attempt to get xdg-desktop-portal-termfilechooser to work - I’m just going to sneak this edit in here and go die in a corner or something)

      • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
        141·
        1 year ago

        It’s not even that, I wanted to try using Ranger as the file chooser because Dolphin would freeze up if it ended up in a tmpfs mount point… which I can deal with if the only alternative is the default GTK file chooser.

  • bleistift2@feddit.deEnglish
    402·
    1 year ago

    My package manager has 400+ updates, but I can’t install them because some packages are conflicting, and I don’t have the willpower to untangle that mess.

    I use arch btw. I use the arch-derivative Manjaro, btw.

    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      231·
      1 year ago

      First time?

      jdk-openjdk vs jre-openjdk? archlinux.org mentions it, although the workaround it provides is fake news and also results in pacman complaining about conflicts.

      I just removed stuff, abused pacman --nodeps and prayed that my backups would be sufficient to restore my inevitable fuckup (no fuckup happened, somehow). Try that at your own risk though…

      • bleistift2@feddit.deEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        I think I’ll just switch to something more user-friendly again. When I installed Manjaro, I thought I liked tinkering. But since then I’ve started working and just want to get home to a functioning computer.

        I appreciate the effort, though.

        • amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          I feel this, Fedora filled the gap for me. I needed more current software, but if that isn’t a priority Debian is amazing.

        • ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρє@lemmy.sdf.org
          4·
          1 year ago

          Manjaro nowadays has become a hassle. It used to be really solid around 5-6 years ago. I had it for 3+ years. Then it started breaking a lot. I switched to EndeavourOS 1.5 years ago, been solid since. The jre/jdk issue was pretty painless to deal with as well.

          • bleistift2@feddit.deEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            The jre/jdk issue was pretty painless to deal with as well.

            What’s driving me away is that I have to deal with it at all. The command just fails and leaves you to google the solution. That’s annoying and unnecessary.

            I know now that Manjaro isn’t the OS for me if I’m not willing to do that.

          • pascal@lemm.ee
            1·
            1 year ago

            If you like to tinker but still have some consistency, I’d suggest gentoo. It’s been really solid for the last 16 years for me.

          • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            pacman -Syu jdk-openjdk

            automatically remove

                   -u, --upgrades
           Restrict or filter output to packages that are out-of-date on the
           local system. Only package versions are used to find outdated
           packages; replacements are not checked here. This option works best
           if the sync database is refreshed using -Sy.

            try pacman -Sy jdk-openjdk

            https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=290066

            Wow I am just now seeing the Arch docs. They are wrong. That’s pretty sad.

      • nogrub@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        i just updated jdk-openjdk by it self then did the system update and it worked (endevaros/i3)

        • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
          71·
          1 year ago

          I don’t want the easy life, if I wanted the easy life I would have bought a macbook for programming and kept Windows with default settings for gaming.

          Besides, Kubuntu was my first AND third distro.

          … and I have no self respect whatsoever. Nor pride.

    • breakcore@discuss.tchncs.de
      3·
      1 year ago

      Same - it is probably why I will change soon. Manjaro has been a bit too flaky I think. Still nice, but annoying with things like this.

      • Holzkohlen@feddit.de
        2·
        1 year ago

        Join us in glorious GarudaLinux land. I swear they don’t pay me to shill this distro every other day.

  • milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev
    351·
    1 year ago

    @OP, join us in Tumbleweed land. I tried arch btw but it drove me crazy. I don’t have endless hours on end to spend on DIY when I am in a hurry to get things to just work™. Tumbleweed with KDE is a refreshing take on the bleeding-edge rolling release distro with sensible defaults and much less teeth gnashing. With arch btw I felt like the whole thing was held together with duct tape and prayers. And I’m certain whatever I did in arch btw, there’s an “ackchyually, …” guy who is going to say that that was wrong.

    • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
      6·
      1 year ago

      Tried tumbleweed on my laptop, bog standard install with only defaults, first update with the GUI, completely deleted all grub configurations but gave no errors or warning on the GUI. Happened twice in a row.

      Updating for CLI with YaST had no issues. Wanted to love it, but got a bad taste literal minutes after install.

      I am fine on Arch, but I just wanted less hassle and ended up with more hassle. Maybe I will try again soon

    • AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
      4·
      1 year ago

      Yeah this is true. Arch has lots of small and weird package bugs and breakages it drives me crazy and I used to daily drive that shit (well, both arch and artix) for about 2 years. Changed all my machines over to Debian (used it as a server before) and my life quality has gone nowhere but UP!

    • Phanlix@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      I’m the same way. I just started using Linux and Landed on Pop!OS. Tumbleweed is high on my short list of things to try, but I finally got everything working, and boy is it working well.

      I think the reason is my hardware profile is extremely similar to Pop!OS products, so I just happened to land on something per-optimized for my system out of dumb luck. I’m frankly shocked at how far linux has come. Lutro is what we’ve been waiting for on game installs for better than 20 years. Steam integration is of course nice, but I hate using game stores and hate being locked into that.

      Anyways, been a cool experience so far.

      • milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev
        6·
        1 year ago

        Great stuff, welcome to the Tumbleweed club, we meet at the dumpster behind Wendy’s every Tuesday. I tried Pop!_OS for a while and was quite impressed. However I have an irrational disdain for GNOME and Ubuntu so their derivatives are out for me. I hereby declare OpenSUSE and KDE the cool kids club. Tuesdays, dumpster behind Wendy’s.

    • Pfnic@feddit.ch
      2·
      1 year ago

      I never had a better system for KDE than Tumbleweed. Definitely my favourite “hasslefree” distro up until now.

    • crazycaveman@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      I just got Tumbleweed set up on my laptop after trying Fedora for a bit. Funnily enough, the thing that made me check it out is CentOS 7 coming up on end of life and needing to find a new distro to switch to for servers. Obviously, would use Leap on the server side, but the rolling release cadence of Tumbleweed was very appealing (have used Arch in the past, but had trouble keeping up with it…). Still feel like I am only using a fraction of what I can with it, though

  • Matombo@feddit.de
    211·
    1 year ago

    Also why for fucks sake does firefox do it’s own mime type management and does not respect default applications set on system level!

    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      131·
      1 year ago

      At the expense of missing what could potentially be a deadpan ironic comment, I would like to divert your attention to the name of the community this meme was posted on

  • ruckblack@sh.itjust.works
    141·
    1 year ago

    Had to nuke xdg-desktop-portal recently. AGAIN. Because they keep introducing a regression that causes all the GTK apps to run at a snails pace and totally ruins the desktop experience. I HATE xdg-desktop-portal. This has happened at least twice before. They can’t seem to get their shit together. I wish I could just be rid of it entirely.

    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      While it is causing me a ton of headaches, I’m thankful that it gives the user a choice of desktop utilities… I just wish I didn’t have to hunt env variables and config files that may or may not be completely ignored.

  • happyhippo@feddit.it
    142·
    1 year ago

    I love Firefox and it’s my main browser on laptop and mobile.

    But as a KDE user, seriously, fuck it. It’s a mess.

    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      82·
      1 year ago

      I wasn’t planning on installing another browser (ignore the post’s title), and joining a Matrix chat for technical help is the last thing I would do due to me being socially awkward…

      I appreciate the advice though

  • Knusper@feddit.de
    1·
    1 year ago

    Firefox is not a GTK application by the way. They use their own XUL/XPCOM framework and are in the long-running process of porting everything to HTML/JS/CSS.

  • NightAuthor@lemmy.worldEnglish
    213·
    1 year ago

    In Firefox, open a couple of tabs, snap the window to the left, now drag a tab to the right and try to snap it to the right edge.

    Now do that same thing w a chromium browser

    • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’m mot sure what feature you’re refering to, but I’m not downloading a chromium browser until Firefox does manage to drive me insane

  • hottari@lemmy.ml
    133·
    1 year ago

    Join the Chromium monopoly it is the superior browser. Aside from not having tab containers, it beats Firefox is almost every other way.