• insomniac_lemon@kbin.social
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      It’s all just the one problem, just like how even the phrase decaying body could be split into multiple different evaluations.

      They’re all different aspects, perspectives, or results of the same issue. The issue being a gradual unstoppable slide into The Twilight Zone.

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        You are actively trying to destroy it as your body is continually trying to preserve itself … you are your own worst enemy.

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          You are both the reason it isn’t already rotten, and the reason it inevitably will be, no matter how hard you try.

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            Neat the power of good and evil, yin and yang, the dead and the living … a constant balance between forces

            Where life may have momentary strength and periodically wins in the short term … death has stamina and plays the long game

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              Perhaps, though that seems a perspective biased by living, while the other 99.999% of reality would consider all life to be a fleeting anomalous spark that arcs brilliantly before returning to the collective abyss.

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          1. Dualism isn’t even that old, Cartes is from AD, and it’s not even the only competition to Physicalism there is

          2. Physical Reductionism is weak as it requires all sciences to be reduced solely to physics, which just isn’t feasible nor is there precedent for one science to be made obsolete by the existence of another. (I mean Alchemy -> Chemistry, Astrology -> Astornomy sure, but… There’s never been a case of something like “We know enough about Psychology to know that we don’t need Marine Biology anymore!”

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            1. Dualism was exposed as bankrupt at least 2500 years ago. Not everyone has picked up on that, obviously.
            2. Disciplines are collapsing in on each other. Both chemistry and biology are slowly collapsing into physics. The only reason biology might not completely fold into physics is practical: Biology is too complex. There isn’t any theoretical reason why it shouldn’t.

            Edit: Psychology is the study of the human brain, but humans are mutated fish, so all that’s needed to link Marine Biology to Psychology is to ground Psychology in Biology, which is happening more and more.

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          Some people around then were well ahead of their time.

          The Epicureans theorizing around all mass as made up of indivisible parts realized that if deterministic movements governed those parts that free will could not exist and thus ended up with their idea of the ‘Swerve’ and how indivisible parts of matter could have multiple probabilistic outcomes - much closer to 500 BCE than the 20th century experimental evidence both proving mass was made up of indivisible parts and that those parts have multiple probabilistic outcomes.

          Maybe ideas you dismiss just haven’t had the proper supporting experiments dreamt up yet.

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            The Epicureans started with the idea that people were just bits of mass doing the things bits of mass do. Only by making a materialist assumption were they able to reach an interesting, novel, and possibly correct conclusion.

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    The worst part is that they have convinced me that if this vessel dies I die when more intuitive knowledge would suggest that I would be free instead.

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      It’s not that hard to be convinced otherwise.

      The argument for the self’s dependence on a physical body (an argument dating back to antiquity) gets less persuasive with each passing month.

      Ironically, by way of a counter-argument also from antiquity that was largely ignored and forgotten because it was wildly out of the context of the age.

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        I would love to be convinced otherwise. But it’s stuff like brain damage and general mental degradation that makes it difficult to believe that a “soul” or another spiritual body contains the self

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        I dunno, I think you have till you’re around mid to late twenties before the decline begins—at least, that’s when I began to notice it

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        I know this is something people say and it sounds deep, but the truth is that growth and death are opposites. The day and acorn sprouts is not the day it begins to die, it’s the day it begins to turn into a tree. Death will come to that tree, but dying is not what it’s busy doing.