US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
We tried to fucking warn them.
They can suffer through this hell the same way the rest of us do, only they get to know they caused it.
Got exactly what they voted for.
What did they think they would vote for? How stupid can one be?
I refuse to believe that people would be stupid enough to expect somebody who banned people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from even entering the USA in his first term to be pro-Gaza…
Nah, I actually think minorities voted more for Trump because the right have more socially conservative policies.
That’s what I believe as well. Far left social issues should not be at the forefront of the campaign. Majority of Hispanic people I spoke to said they voted for trump either because economy, or because they didn’t agree with the Dems stance on trans rights. I’m all for equality but there are more pressing matters than which bathroom a person can use or should trans people be allowed to compete in a certain sport. Let the state decide and move on. Stop alienating the majority of Americans for less than 5% of the population.
It’s almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn’t acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire
Kamela wanted a ceasefire
So did biden, reportedly.
Oh lord +25 -2
Blatant lies sure are popular here.
Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.
Lol, no he didn’t, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.
Troll harder
PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand…
Kamela never shunned Palestinians either
Sorry i did not realize this was a sarcastic troll chain.
Stop. Just stop.
It’s a post-truth world. Just…give up. We’re all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed “facts” consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It’s their news. It’s their friends. It’s their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It’s in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.
You can’t compete with that. That’s brainwashing on a societal level.
You can’t both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.
I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when “I told you so”. Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people’s attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.
The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that.
Why bother to fact check any one thing when it means hunting for the single edible chocolate in a pile of rabbit shit?
You can’t even fucking Google an answer anymore, as the AI generated response is trained on all the bad data that’s bloated the system.
Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I would settle for it being a view that won’t get you expelled from a college campus, primaried out of an elected office, or purged from a high profile business position.
You make a good point, but the problem remains the same. We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates. 🙃
We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
People like this exist and you can find them. You just won’t have them advertised to you. Real journalism exists, but its speaks floating in a sea of disinformation.
I can only be so upset a people for failing to find it. There but for the grace of God go I.
I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates
A great deal of informed opinion and intelligently dissenting views have been actively suppressed at the educational, political, and industry levels.
Whether you’re Cori Bush or Norm Finkelstein, you’re fighting and uphill battle just to be recognized.
Gotcha. I hear ya. I guess what I’m saying is, in the same way capitalism has effectively produced an oligharchical coup-de-tat of society, in the same way progressivism needs to find a way to do the same, and do it better.
The modern Internet and information landscape has broken participatory democracy to the point I don’t think the truth can beat lies and misinformation, such that it could ever be the basis for most people’s vote.
Therefore, ironically I think we must leverage the same tools and techniques being used to spread lies and misinformation in service of the truth. That is play Donald Trump and the New Right’s game against them, and do it better.
“Weird” was almost that, but it was accidental. It wasn’t evidence of change in communication strategy by the Dems, sadly. We should be doing more of this. Constantly embarrassing and insulting Trump and his cronies, and making them look lost, weal, and out of control. Things like that. Selective truths intended to get an emotional populist response, and sustain it for four years.
Also, Swift 2028 (lol)
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
At this point if I were God I’d be starting the rapture right now, because clearly humanity is too dumb to live and too deranged to get it over with quick and painlessly. Every American who voted Kamela would be at the top of the “Abandon Earth, we’re all going to Heaven!” queue for the USA region, because obviously that was the last couple million people living in the Modern Day Burning Rome who gave a shit.
Leopards ate my face, example #5937719
All this reporting reminds me of the “But actually this Man on The Street Hated Brexit even though he voted for it” slew of stories.
It’s all just nutpicking. You’ll find far more Muslim Trump voters who don’t know who any of these people are. And you’ll find plenty who are clapping like seals, because they’re just as Murdoch Pilled and MAGA headed as their white peers.
Which just goes to show the lack of critical thinking skills in a shockingly large swath of the population.
“If you don’t vote my way then you must be an idiot” is the endless refrain of the losing party. I hear it every election cycle
Had Harris been the one edging out Trump on a razor thin margin, it would be conservatives whining about American voter stupidity.
But if all these people are so thick headed, why do politicians find it so hard to get them to vote their way?
They’re not the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
They won’t be the last.
Love the blaming of Muslims instead of the mass uninformed…
…Don’t vote for Trump then???
If you’re at this point still upset or surprised about anything the orange moron does, you’re part of the problem.
Behind door #1: Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
Behind door #2: Tried to enact laws that openly discriminate against your religion just a few years ago. And is also totally one-sided against you regarding that same war.It’s a tough choice.
Behind door #1: Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
They’re way more one-sided about the “war” (genocide) than I imagine the vast majority of Muslim and pro-Palestinian voters are, just in the wrong direction. What part of unconditionally supplying weapons to a country that is indiscriminately slaughtering civilians is “not one sided,” oh “rational_lib?”
It’s not one-sided because Trump is what one-sided looks like. Democrats still support trying for a Palestinian state, while Trump wants Israel to not stop at Gaza but take what remains of the West Bank too. You don’t get to define the sides the way you want, we’re still dealing with the American public here - and the American public is very anti-muslim and militaristic (I mean we do have to live in a world where 9/11 happened - which, by the way, was one of the more egregious examples of the counter-productive effect of attempts to make Americans care about Palestine).
I’m the last to justify continuing aid to Israel, but if you don’t understand the political difficulty of removing that aid you’re just not paying attention. This will be seen as a win for Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah and the backlash will be massive with lots of accusations that Democrats are embracing anti-semetism. And Democrats know from past causes like BLM that the same people advocating very forcefully for changing policy will morph into crickets when it comes time to defend those changes from backlash, having moved on to more exciting causes. So yeah, I disagree with aid to Israel but I can’t really blame them.
Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country
Dems pandered to an Israeli government that was actively campaigning for their opposition. This wasn’t just “your anti-genocide views are simply too extreme for the average American voter”. It was “Netanyahu is funneling Russian money and propaganda into the Republican campaign apparatus while you keep telling him he’s a good boy on national TV.”
Talk about leopards eating your face.
shocking, really.
In other news, stupid people are baffled by their own stupidity.
I never thought leopards would eat my face!
I heard if you coat your face in blood and lie down in long grass with your eyes closed, the leopards won’t ever find you!
We’re gonna see a lot more “Experts baffled Trump did x thing” and the word “unprecedented” show up in headlines again for at least the next four years. Sleep in the bed you made, fuckwads.
Sleep in the bed you
made,shit in, fuckwads.
Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? … This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump. That’s patently false. Someone else said it best. Most of these people are in their own echo chambers and trying to get them to actually behave and vote in their own best interest is becoming nearly futile these days. It’s too easy for people to put themselves into those echo chambers.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump.
What we have here are voters who thought Trump would be better than Harris, not the same. I can understand, even if it’s technically wrong, when people feel that genocide is genocide. And they see what is happening there as an extension to them (which any psychotherapist who’s dealt with someone of an ethnic group which is in war can attest to).
Most of these people are in their own echo chambers
Although this is most probably a factor, I believe this to be too simple an explanation. So about the media landscape: Yes. Especially the so-called ‘new media’ is seldomly truly independent but often biased in that they peddle this false narrative that Trump is a peace candidate. Also notable is that ‘alternative media’ is largely seen as independent from billionaires and power, while legacy media is an arm of the establishment. So the narrative of ‘us vs. them’ works even better and since the biggest names lean more right or are outright Republican propaganda channels, this could translate into more people who already resent the status quo falling for them. And thanks to the engagement-optimizing algorithms they fall into these echo-chambers. Sidenote: I’m not de-legitimizing alternative outlets, but want to stress the importance of scrutinizing how they finance themselves. We just had a case of one right-wing propaganda channel being exposed as being financed by a Russian oligarch for years. (I forgot the name)
One could also point to the rhetoric and behavior of the two candidates towards the pro-Palestinian population in the last few weeks and months before the election. One side didn’t let Palestinian voices be heard and even actively and preemptively removed an elected Democrat from one of their own events, because he happened to be Palestinian American. Outside the DNC the protestors were met with disdain and ridicule by DNC delegates. And the other side came to
speaklie to them about what he’s gonna do and that he takes them seriously. People are gonna see this.Or generally when Harris said that she wanted the ‘most lethal military in the world’, while the other side talked about ending wars ‘within the first 24 hours’. Outrageous but a stark contrast.
Or the simple sentiment that with the Dems in power genocide is happening, so I’ll roll the dice. The same anti-establishment sentiment that led to Trump in 2016 in the first place (economic in nature in 2016).
Talking about anti-establishment sentiment: I know of only one exception to this. But after COVID, there’s only one incumbent party in the democratic world, that came out of elections still in power. And that’s Mexico. If you know any others, please feel free to enlighten me.
The list is not extensive by any means and is just me spit-balling. If we want to understand what happened the answers are going to be much more complex.
